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  • X xenon

    It’s not even particularly desirable. An iPhone sells for $1000, costs about $400 to make and about $100 of that value is driven by China.

    Would we rather have Huawei in America with $100 going to American manufacturing (just assume that’s possible) - or the current state of an American company (Apple) with $100 going to China?

    The way Trump talks, he’d take the former.

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    @xenon said in Trumpenomics:

    It’s not even particularly desirable.

    No, it's all an idiotic fever dream, cooked up by maybe the only two economists in the world who think tariffs cause prosperity, and the intuitions of Trump.

    Education is extremely important.

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      The simple act of building the factories makes it impossible. You can reshore some critical manufacturing capabilities, but it will need some subsidizing and a lot of deregulation to get the factories up and running, and it will still require competition. While I still think American Car manufacturing is pretty piss poor, the Japanese competition did force them to get a little better…

      The Brad

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        Indeed they did. I had an 86 ford tempo in 1990, already a cheap used car by then, that almost bankrupted me with repair bills.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          I agree he doesn’t want to be known as the guy that destroyed the economy. I think the problem is he thinks these tariffs really will usher in a new era of American prosperity and that both the market and economic experts are just wrong.

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          @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

          I agree he doesn’t want to be known as the guy that destroyed the economy. I think the problem is he thinks these tariffs really will usher in a new era of American prosperity and that both the market and economic experts are just wrong.

          Been saying he's channeling McKinley.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            The simple act of building the factories makes it impossible. You can reshore some critical manufacturing capabilities, but it will need some subsidizing and a lot of deregulation to get the factories up and running, and it will still require competition. While I still think American Car manufacturing is pretty piss poor, the Japanese competition did force them to get a little better…

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            @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

            The simple act of building the factories makes it impossible. You can reshore some critical manufacturing capabilities, but it will need some subsidizing and a lot of deregulation to get the factories up and running, and it will still require competition. While I still think American Car manufacturing is pretty piss poor, the Japanese competition did force them to get a little better…

            Trump Admin is claiming $7T investment coming to America. I'm sure that's inflated, but look at the marching orders that went to the agencies about rules that have made up out of whole cloth. Washington should soon be in a deregulation frenzy.

            Less regulation burdens, no tariffs, a Navy ship building program, etc. Maybe the world gets the hint we're in the business for business?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              They’re both fair questions.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                I don't think we're deterring students from coming here, if they're coming to study.

                You want to play justice warrior for your pet cause, especially using illegal protests to do so or protesting for a terrorist organization? I think your time in America will be brief and rightly so.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I don't think we're deterring students from coming here, if they're coming to study.

                  You want to play justice warrior for your pet cause, especially using illegal protests to do so or protesting for a terrorist organization? I think your time in America will be brief and rightly so.

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                  @Jolly said in Trumpenomics:

                  I don't think we're deterring students from coming here, if they're coming to study.

                  Sure we are.

                  If you are a foreign student looking to study abroad, and you have a choice of lets say, US, UK, Australia, etc. you may give less thought to the US, regardless if you are a pure angel or not.

                  I am guess that 4 years from now, foreign students in the US will have decreased by at least 10-20%.

                  US universities like them as they pay full amount to go to school. I know of quite a few Chinese students at schools like Univ. of IL, and they are all paying list price of USD$50K per year. (They may be getting some sort of subsidy from their home country, but not from the US school).

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                    @Jolly said in Trumpenomics:

                    I don't think we're deterring students from coming here, if they're coming to study.

                    Sure we are.

                    If you are a foreign student looking to study abroad, and you have a choice of lets say, US, UK, Australia, etc. you may give less thought to the US, regardless if you are a pure angel or not.

                    I am guess that 4 years from now, foreign students in the US will have decreased by at least 10-20%.

                    US universities like them as they pay full amount to go to school. I know of quite a few Chinese students at schools like Univ. of IL, and they are all paying list price of USD$50K per year. (They may be getting some sort of subsidy from their home country, but not from the US school).

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                    @taiwan_girl said in Trumpenomics:

                    I am guess that 4 years from now, foreign students in the US will have decreased by at least 10-20%.

                    Good.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      @taiwan_girl said in Trumpenomics:

                      I am guess that 4 years from now, foreign students in the US will have decreased by at least 10-20%.

                      Good.

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                      @Jolly said in Trumpenomics:

                      @taiwan_girl said in Trumpenomics:

                      I am guess that 4 years from now, foreign students in the US will have decreased by at least 10-20%.

                      Good.

                      Now that you think about it, Elon first came here with a student visa.

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                        American winemakers talk tariffs:

                        https://www.npr.org/sections/planet-money/2025/04/17/g-s1-60718/tariffs-make-sour-grapes-american-winemakers

                        Will American winemakers win with tariffs? The ones we spoke with don't seem to think so.

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                          Trump(CF) teaching everyone his way is the best

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                            End of Q1 numbers. I will update as the missing ones come in, and plan on updating this every quarter. If anybody feels something else should be on here (economically), let me know. 🙂

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                              Cost of gas is down, even to $1.98! Umm the national average was $3.22 on 1/20 and $3.29 as of yesterday.

                              Cost of eggs have gone down 92%! They were $6.55 on 1/20 and $3.11 as of yesterday. Thats like 47%?

                              What idiots does he have feeding him data, I’m guessing only sycophants have access to him.

                              Link to video

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                                Oh and the clip ends but he starts rambling about how the federal reserve doesn’t have anyone smart there and that Powell is playing politics.

                                What a disaster.

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                                  Link to video

                                  TL;DR version:

                                  • Delta: doesn’t want to pay tariffs on incoming Airbus aircraft; willing to delay taking delivery
                                  • Airbus: OK, we accelerate delivery to other customers eager to take delivery earlier
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                                    Amazing what little support he has for this shit. And yet the house gop still sits paralyzed.

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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      It's ironic since they'll be massacred in 2026 anyway, as if Trump's support will be helpful then. It'll be a repeat of 2018, but on Solfeggio steroids.

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                                        Thing is as China and America face off, it seems clear one has a massive advantage...
                                        A country led by a brutal autocrat unmindful of his peoples suffering and perfectly willing to give up their living standards to win whatever the cost.
                                        But Xi is a tough old bastard too so let's not write off China just yet.

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                                          It's ironic since they'll be massacred in 2026 anyway, as if Trump's support will be helpful then. It'll be a repeat of 2018, but on Solfeggio steroids.

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                                          @89th said in Trumpenomics:

                                          It's ironic since they'll be massacred in 2026 anyway, as if Trump's support will be helpful then. It'll be a repeat of 2018, but on Solfeggio steroids.

                                          Why do you say that? Trump actually has a more people liking him than ever before and has fewer people disliking him than ever before…

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                                          I mean, it’s nuts, but it’s where we are at…

                                          The Brad

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