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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #618

    Some more precision. Doesn’t look like it’s higher overall but consumer goods are.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      #619

      Yes, but China’s a hit more people are willing to take…

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        #620

        I think the boat fees are actually as big as the tariffs…

        The Brad

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          AndyD
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          How are the farmers
          of America taking this?
          Are they more likely to plant crops or sell their machines?

          E.g. China has been stockpiling soybeans, and Brazil is an alternative supplier. Chinese import tax on US soybeans is now 104% ?

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            #622

            We have 9T of debt that matures in 2025, all of which we need to reissue and of course Trump will issue several trillion more.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              #623

              Maybe this time Trump will say "China will pay for it."

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                jon-nyc
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                #624

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  Good lord. The comments…

                  The Brad

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                    Horace
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                    #626

                    I'm unsurprised that economic destruction is no big deal to people with nothing economic to lose.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                      #627

                      If this was 4D chess to get interest rates down for debt refinancing, I think the fat man got mated in 6 moves.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        #628

                        Dollar index against a currency basket.

                        IMG_4091.jpeg

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                          From UBS:

                          Treasury Secretary Bessent said that they saw nothing unusual in yesterday’s market moves.

                          The 30yr treasury experienced the biggest increase since 1982, equities are falling, the dollar is falling, and gold hit an all time high.

                          Economists might consider this pattern not entirely usual.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            I think of Larry every time I hear about the gold price. 🙂

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                              #631

                              Op-ed praising Trump's genius tariff moves, comparing Trump to Tuft, McKinley, Ford, Reagan:

                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/04/10/trump-tariffs-pause-stock-market-manipulation/83019881007/

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                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  An odd situation. The Chinese economy is under stress (real estate, demographics, etc), and they are highly reliant on exports. Then again, there are other customers to export to than the USA. On our side, the USA is highly reliant on Chinese exports both for end products but also supply chain for so many companies. Really it seems to be more about two power egos fighting it out than realistic long-term international trade objectives. Not sure how it plays out but it will be interesting to see in a year or so how it compares to December 2024 numbers.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    This is definitely a bad time for China to have a trade war. The question is how much pain is he willing to subject his peasantry to in order to save face for China and himself.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      This is starting to feel a lot like the 2008 panic and the 2020 COVID panic. I kinda think there is more than a bit of overreaction to this.

                                      I think I’ve been blunt, I despise American Labor Unions. I think that they served a needed and valuable function 80 years ago, but are no longer needed, and have actually harmed American manufacturing extensively over the past 50 years. I also despise protectionist policies that go hand-in-hand with Union goals.

                                      That being said, the response seems over the top. A little too much overreaction. Personally, I’ll tighten the belt a little (very glad the last tuition check has been cashed for Lucas) and will invest a little more aggressively over the next few weeks…

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Trumpenomics:

                                      This is starting to feel a lot like the 2008 panic and the 2020 COVID panic. I kinda think there is more than a bit of overreaction to this.

                                      What I don’t get is how this is consistent with your comment from 2 weeks ago or so about OMB and CBO underestimating the negative effects of tax increases. This is still the largest tax increase of your lifetime or mine.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        If we do not consider Hong Kong a separate entity from China, the U.S. accounts for between 15-20% of Chinese exports.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          If we do not consider Hong Kong a separate entity from China, the U.S. accounts for between 15-20% of Chinese exports.

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                                          @Jolly said in Trumpenomics:

                                          If we do not consider Hong Kong a separate entity from China, the U.S. accounts for between 15-20% of Chinese exports.

                                          It's clearly extremely important for China. The question is how much pain the populace is willing to put up with in fighting a trade war compared to the American electorate.

                                          I was only joking

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