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It gets personal

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by Jolly
    #46

    BTW, using Federal funds as a bludgeoning tool of compliance is nothing new.

    In 1979, I was attending a private college. The Feds dropped in and told the College Administration you don't have enough black students. The college replied that 13% of the student body is black and here is documentation of our efforts to recruit more... We are offering substantial scholarships, particularly to those more economically unfortunate, but they must meet entrance criteria (which wasn't onerous, just a 23 ACT and graduation in the top 25% of your class).

    And besides, we don't take any Federal funds. 😛

    Well, said the Feds, the college may not, but your students have Pell Grants and student loans, which we will be happy to terminate.
    Unless you can bring those black student percentages up to at least 20%

    So the college had to find another 100 black students, qualified or not.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Mik

      There’s no way to cut painlessly, I agree. I also believe there are taxpayer supported studies that are not worth the expense. But many if not most are. To cut them off in mid study while still proposing deficit spending seems less than due diligence.

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      #47

      @Mik said in It gets personal:

      There’s no way to cut painlessly, I agree. I also believe there are taxpayer supported studies that are not worth the expense. But many if not most are. To cut them off in mid study while still proposing deficit spending seems less than due diligence.

      Yeah agreed. Lazy is a good term for it, chasing headlines is another. As you said, whether it's research grants, or federal employees, or other programs, there is good work out there, perhaps most of the time, and our country is better than the "meh, there will be blood" wrecking ball approach when a smart scalpel could be used to avoid hurting the good work that's out there.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #48

        Smart scalpel is preferred, but the political will won't be there when you need it.

        It's going to be the roast chicken method, if it's done

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Smart scalpel is preferred, but the political will won't be there when you need it.

          It's going to be the roast chicken method, if it's done

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          89th
          wrote on last edited by
          #49

          @Jolly said in It gets personal:

          Smart scalpel is preferred, but the political will won't be there when you need it.

          How so? Don't you think an approach where Trump said something like "I'm going to deploy 10 genius analysts into each <whatever> branch and ask them to provide a full report in 6 months of what should be cut immediately and what should be sent back to congress to review appropriations". It doesn't have to take 4 years, but it also doesn't have to take 4 weeks. The latter is reckless and lazy.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            #50

            A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

            In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

            In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              #51

              Reminds me of a contest at college where they wanted to rename the "Great Hall" into something more interesting. Someone submitted "Nixon's Tomb" - which I thought was wonderful. I was actually on the committee that would decide the name - and spoke forcefully in favor of the name change - but by the time I got done speaking, even I was convinced it wasn't such a great idea since Nixon seemed to take things personal and while it would have made the national news - not the news that would result in good tidings.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

                In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

                In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

                MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #52

                @Jolly said in It gets personal:

                A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

                In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

                In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

                Ah, but Macbeth was speaking of murder, not cost cutting. 😄

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

                  In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

                  In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #53

                  @Jolly said in It gets personal:

                  A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

                  In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

                  In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

                  Great. What have they actually cut?

                  The Brad

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                  • CopperC Online
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                    #54

                    All told, more than 30,000 federal employees were fired in recent weeks after the Trump administration directed a mass purge of probationary staff.

                    https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/03/trump-administration-taking-steps-comply-court-orders-reinstate-tens-thousands-fired-workers/403795/

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @Jolly said in It gets personal:

                      A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

                      In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

                      In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

                      Ah, but Macbeth was speaking of murder, not cost cutting. 😄

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      #55

                      @Mik said in It gets personal:

                      @Jolly said in It gets personal:

                      A very smart man once said, If t'were done, it is well it t'were done quickly.

                      In politics, when you've got Big MO, you gitter done. The longer something rattles around in the box, the more opposition you'll tend to have.

                      In the case of cuts, corporate or government, you cut fast and hard. Sometimes, you have to adjust the cuts later, but that's usually easier than the paralysis of analysis.

                      Ah, but Macbeth was speaking of murder, not cost cutting. 😄

                      Well, it is job death for some ...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #56

                        A big diabetes study canceled.

                        IMG_3689.jpeg

                        Like ours, Columbia was the lead but it funds many centers, in this case over 2 dozen.

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                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          A big diabetes study canceled.

                          IMG_3689.jpeg

                          Like ours, Columbia was the lead but it funds many centers, in this case over 2 dozen.

                          IMG_3690.jpeg

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #57

                          @jon-nyc said in It gets personal:

                          A big diabetes study canceled.

                          And yet we can still afford a new study regarding the link between fucking autism and vaccines.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @jon-nyc said in It gets personal:

                            A big diabetes study canceled.

                            And yet we can still afford a new study regarding the link between fucking autism and vaccines.

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #58

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in It gets personal:

                            @jon-nyc said in It gets personal:

                            A big diabetes study canceled.

                            And yet we can still afford a new study regarding the link between fucking autism and vaccines.

                            POTD

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in It gets personal:

                              @jon-nyc said in It gets personal:

                              A big diabetes study canceled.

                              And yet we can still afford a new study regarding the link between fucking autism and vaccines.

                              POTD

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              #59

                              @Renauda said in It gets personal:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in It gets personal:

                              @jon-nyc said in It gets personal:

                              A big diabetes study canceled.

                              And yet we can still afford a new study regarding the link between fucking autism and vaccines.

                              POTD

                              What is the point of this? Can anybody think of a rationale? Other than buying off RFK, obviously.

                              I was only joking

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                All told, more than 30,000 federal employees were fired in recent weeks after the Trump administration directed a mass purge of probationary staff.

                                https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/03/trump-administration-taking-steps-comply-court-orders-reinstate-tens-thousands-fired-workers/403795/

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                                @Copper said in It gets personal:

                                All told, more than 30,000 federal employees were fired in recent weeks after the Trump administration directed a mass purge of probationary staff.

                                https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/03/trump-administration-taking-steps-comply-court-orders-reinstate-tens-thousands-fired-workers/403795/

                                Keep up! They have been rehired since what Trump did was not legal. Now they're getting paid to play golf! (or whatever they do on paid leave)

                                25,000 employees... costing us $8 million per day. So much winning!

                                https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/37080/judge-reverses-mass-firings-of-federal-workers/11

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