The Ukraine war thread
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Because one guy Tucker Calrson talked to once, said that, while being intentionally provocative.
Okay, so I forgot earlier….your one fault is sometimes relying on and defending that yellow journalist and Walter Winchell wannabe, “ FuCa” for your information. You really ought to be more circumspect with regard to that muckraking wag. Now buck up or you’ll lose your respectable Libertarian status
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:52 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Okay, so I forgot earlier….your one fault is sometimes relying on and defending that yellow journalist and Walter Winchell wannabe, “ FuCa” for your information. You really ought to be more circumspect with regard to that muckraking wag. Now buck up or you’ll lose your respectable Libertarian status
I am sure you will be consistently uneasy with any respect you may have for me, as I continue to post my opinions. But I doubt you'll find any blanket endorsements from me of anybody, including Carlson.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:53 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 20:55
I do hope so. I continue to have faith in you.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
SecState's take:
Link to videoInteresting interview. The lady is asking what everyone is thinking, including Zelenskyy. “Marco Rubio, even you’ve said Putin is a butcher and absolutely can’t be trusted in negotiations” and his response keeps coming back to “yeah but Trump is a deal maker”, what does that meeaannnnnn?? That’s the whole point.
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:54 last edited by@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
SecState's take:
Link to videoInteresting interview. The lady is asking what everyone is thinking, including Zelenskyy. “Marco Rubio, even you’ve said Putin is a butcher and absolutely can’t be trusted in negotiations” and his response keeps coming back to “yeah but Trump is a deal maker”, what does that meeaannnnnn?? That’s the whole point.
So you don't grant the point - at all - that Trump doesn't necessarily want to go full-bore on the anti-Russia rhetoric, while his goal is to facilitate negotiations between them and Ukraine? There's no practical point there? Biden was free to say whatever because he never talked to Russia, and never intended to.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:54 last edited by
I get it. I guess my stance on this stems from my opinion on Trump. A lot of his criticisms and sales pitch for what’s wrong is fine.
I think he’s an empty suit beyond that. I haven’t seen any substantive policy or operational thought come from him in the last 10 years. I guess I’m skeptical that he has any competence for governance.
I think the guy is witty, funny, loves his country and can read people really well…. That doesn’t mean he knows anything about governance.
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I get it. I guess my stance on this stems from my opinion on Trump. A lot of his criticisms and sales pitch for what’s wrong is fine.
I think he’s an empty suit beyond that. I haven’t seen any substantive policy or operational thought come from him in the last 10 years. I guess I’m skeptical that he has any competence for governance.
I think the guy is witty, funny, loves his country and can read people really well…. That doesn’t mean he knows anything about governance.
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:57 last edited by@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
I get it. I guess my stance on this stems from my opinion on Trump. A lot of his criticisms and sales pitch for what’s wrong is fine.
I think he’s an empty suit beyond that. I haven’t seen any substantive policy or operational thought come from him in the last 10 years. I guess I’m skeptical that he has any competence for governance.
I think the guy is witty, funny, loves his country and can read people really well…. That doesn’t mean he knows anything about governance.
The Ukraine situation was doing a swell job of defeating the west, revealing its self-righteous rhetoric to be powerless and empty, well before Trump came back into power.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 20:59 last edited by
Sure - but I don’t think the delicate genius was going to do anything about it. I guess with that nihilistic attitude, yesterday didn’t really mean much in the grand scheme of things.
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I get it. I guess my stance on this stems from my opinion on Trump. A lot of his criticisms and sales pitch for what’s wrong is fine.
I think he’s an empty suit beyond that. I haven’t seen any substantive policy or operational thought come from him in the last 10 years. I guess I’m skeptical that he has any competence for governance.
I think the guy is witty, funny, loves his country and can read people really well…. That doesn’t mean he knows anything about governance.
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:00 last edited by@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
I get it. I guess my stance on this stems from my opinion on Trump. A lot of his criticisms and sales pitch for what’s wrong is fine.
I think he’s an empty suit beyond that. I haven’t seen any substantive policy or operational thought come from him in the last 10 years. I guess I’m skeptical that he has any competence for governance.
I think the guy is witty, funny, loves his country and can read people really well…. That doesn’t mean he knows anything about governance.
That’s the thing. Even when the lady was discussing taking guns away from people with mental breakdowns, he kept asking “so is that how it works now?” He doesn’t have a clue BUT in his defense sometimes you can lead by knowing the macro picture without the details. That being said, if you asked Trump when did Ukraine become a country? He’d probably be like “not sure, the late 80s?”
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@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
SecState's take:
Link to videoInteresting interview. The lady is asking what everyone is thinking, including Zelenskyy. “Marco Rubio, even you’ve said Putin is a butcher and absolutely can’t be trusted in negotiations” and his response keeps coming back to “yeah but Trump is a deal maker”, what does that meeaannnnnn?? That’s the whole point.
So you don't grant the point - at all - that Trump doesn't necessarily want to go full-bore on the anti-Russia rhetoric, while his goal is to facilitate negotiations between them and Ukraine? There's no practical point there? Biden was free to say whatever because he never talked to Russia, and never intended to.
wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:01 last edited by@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
SecState's take:
Link to videoInteresting interview. The lady is asking what everyone is thinking, including Zelenskyy. “Marco Rubio, even you’ve said Putin is a butcher and absolutely can’t be trusted in negotiations” and his response keeps coming back to “yeah but Trump is a deal maker”, what does that meeaannnnnn?? That’s the whole point.
So you don't grant the point - at all - that Trump doesn't necessarily want to go full-bore on the anti-Russia rhetoric, while his goal is to facilitate negotiations between them and Ukraine? There's no practical point there? Biden was free to say whatever because he never talked to Russia, and never intended to.
Oh I totally grant that point. It’s not what Trump is saying about Russia, it’s what Trump is saying about Ukraine that is horrendous.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:03 last edited by
I also find it weird that he’s playing the best cards we have (e.g. no NATO membership for Ukraine) without getting to the negotiation table… but again, he’s the deal maker.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:03 last edited by 89th 3 Jan 2025, 21:04
For example. Trump could’ve said “I understand your view of Putin and he sure has negotiated in bad faith before but I’m good at making deals and will work with him to bring this war to an end with security guarantees for Ukraine and no loss of land.”
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:05 last edited by
Fair point
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:06 last edited by
Which betrays that JD doesn’t think Trump has a plan. Because if he did, (assuming he shares it with JD). Why would JD get pissy about it? He’d be like “just wait and see padawan”
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:18 last edited by 89th 3 Jan 2025, 21:18
Yeah maybe. I think there’s possible frustration from JD knowing that a real deal with Putin is likely impossible and they didn’t want Zelenskyy messing up the first mineral rights deal (and possibly only deal) headline.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:24 last edited by
@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
I’m also still waiting for that Obamacare replacement that’s two weeks away…
First we have to get through infrastructure week.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:31 last edited by
Mr. Trump is a producer, actor and writer. How does that get forgotten?
His IMDB credits go on for pages.
That talk with Zelenskyy was rehearsed for weeks before the cameras turned on.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 21:58 last edited by
You have to squint pretty hard not to give Zelensky any agency in that victory for Russia. Which puts his inadequacies as a statesman in even sharper relief.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 22:12 last edited by
No doubt he handled it poorly.
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wrote on 1 Mar 2025, 22:25 last edited by Renauda 3 Jan 2025, 22:26
No matter how poorly Zelenskyi handled it, Vance and Trump, as one analyst I watched on the BBC spelled it out, together seized defeat from the jaws of victory. Especially pathetic was when Trump blurted out “Putin went through a hell of a lot with me”. Sorry but the victim card both Trump and Putin love to play before cameras has worn thin. Neither are victims, or ever were victims in any of this.