Well, die then.
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@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, let us kill this child over a religious objection to a vaccine that is effective less than 25% of the time.
Kind-hearted people are we...
Not really, it would be unfair to give the heart to someone when there are others who have followed the rules AND (bluntly) have a better chance at living. There's 1 heart available and 100 people who need it, this seems to be a normal approach for organ transplant lists (compatibility matches and health optimization) at least as far as I'm aware.
And again, I am truly not directly judging what the mother heard from the Holy Spirit, but essentially she has the decision of whether to: A) give her child a vaccine (to protect her health) and the chance at a heart, or B) have neither. It's hard to accept that she is being told by the Holy Spirit to pick Option B.
@89th said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, let us kill this child over a religious objection to a vaccine that is effective less than 25% of the time.
Kind-hearted people are we...
Not really, it would be unfair to give the heart to someone when there are others who have followed the rules AND (bluntly) have a better chance at living. There's 1 heart available and 100 people who need it, this seems to be a normal approach for organ transplant lists (compatibility matches and health optimization) at least as far as I'm aware.
And again, I am truly not directly judging what the mother heard from the Holy Spirit, but essentially she has the decision of whether to: A) give her child a vaccine (to protect her health) and the chance at a heart, or B) have neither. It's hard to accept that she is being told by the Holy Spirit to pick Option B.
Hearts are not plug-n-play. They have to be matched and they have a short shelf life.
Want me to tell you a dirty little secret? Over half of all donor hearts are trashed.
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@Renauda said in Well, die then.:
In my view the mother’s opposition to the vaccine is based entirely on her misinformed belief in disinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense. She is hiding behind her religion and not at all adhering to it. Her objection on a religious ground is a false pretence.
Yeah she says it was the Holy Spirit telling her not to give her kid a vaccine. But I wonder if that was after she was perusing Facebook.
If anything she is plain and simple guilty of reckless endangerment of her daughter.
Agreed.
@89th said in Well, die then.:
@Renauda said in Well, die then.:
In my view the mother’s opposition to the vaccine is based entirely on her misinformed belief in disinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense. She is hiding behind her religion and not at all adhering to it. Her objection on a religious ground is a false pretence.
Yeah she says it was the Holy Spirit telling her not to give her kid a vaccine. But I wonder if that was after she was perusing Facebook.
If anything she is plain and simple guilty of reckless endangerment of her daughter.
Agreed.
You do not believe in the Holy Spirit?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Renauda said in Well, die then.:
In my view the mother’s opposition to the vaccine is based entirely on her misinformed belief in disinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense. She is hiding behind her religion and not at all adhering to it. Her objection on a religious ground is a false pretence.
Yeah she says it was the Holy Spirit telling her not to give her kid a vaccine. But I wonder if that was after she was perusing Facebook.
If anything she is plain and simple guilty of reckless endangerment of her daughter.
Agreed.
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@Axtremus said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, point your finger at this child and tell her to die.
The solution is simple and readily available: just vaccinate the child already.
Not if the mother has a religious objection.
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
@Axtremus said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, point your finger at this child and tell her to die.
The solution is simple and readily available: just vaccinate the child already.
Not if the mother has a religious objection.
In this case, isn't it also the mother telling the child to die?
Or maybe we should blame the Holy Spirit.
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@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
@Axtremus said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, point your finger at this child and tell her to die.
The solution is simple and readily available: just vaccinate the child already.
Not if the mother has a religious objection.
In this case, isn't it also the mother telling the child to die?
Or maybe we should blame the Holy Spirit.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
@Axtremus said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, point your finger at this child and tell her to die.
The solution is simple and readily available: just vaccinate the child already.
Not if the mother has a religious objection.
In this case, isn't it also the mother telling the child to die?
Or maybe we should blame the Holy Spirit.
Why? Because the mother doesn't want the child to take the COVID vaccine? The same vaccine that LE and the military no longer has to take?
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@89th said in Well, die then.:
@Renauda said in Well, die then.:
In my view the mother’s opposition to the vaccine is based entirely on her misinformed belief in disinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense. She is hiding behind her religion and not at all adhering to it. Her objection on a religious ground is a false pretence.
Yeah she says it was the Holy Spirit telling her not to give her kid a vaccine. But I wonder if that was after she was perusing Facebook.
If anything she is plain and simple guilty of reckless endangerment of her daughter.
Agreed.
You do not believe in the Holy Spirit?
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
@89th said in Well, die then.:
@Renauda said in Well, die then.:
In my view the mother’s opposition to the vaccine is based entirely on her misinformed belief in disinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense. She is hiding behind her religion and not at all adhering to it. Her objection on a religious ground is a false pretence.
Yeah she says it was the Holy Spirit telling her not to give her kid a vaccine. But I wonder if that was after she was perusing Facebook.
If anything she is plain and simple guilty of reckless endangerment of her daughter.
Agreed.
You do not believe in the Holy Spirit?
Tricky waters. Of course I believe in the Holy Spirit. But I also roll my eyes when my mom says she's going to pray for something to happen (within her control) when God gave her the brains and hands to make it happen. I think we can both agree there are strong odds that what she thinks she heard from the Holy Spirit was an echo of what she was reading on the internet.
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One of my engineers said he didn't want to get vaccinated for religious reasons. He caved in at the last minute, and will now presumably burn in hell for all eternity. He sure put me through enough of it.
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In any case, it is ultimately the mother's choice. If she feels that it is more important that her daughter not have a COVID vaccine, rather than get a new heart, the next child in line that gets that heart will thank her.
Part of living in a civilized society is that there are rules. I am not agree with all of them, but I understand that "most" rules are there for a reason.
It may be against my religion to follow speed limits as god wants me to be free and not constrained by earthly limits. But, I also understand that there may be consequences to following my religious rule vs. societies rule. And I may have to compromise or accept the consequences.
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There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get her compromised child vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
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@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get her compromised child vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
Not hers. Yours.
You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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A lot of rapists and murderers have said they heard voices telling them to do what they did.
The alleged imaginary whispers of some holy spirit forbidding a vaccine do not stand scrutiny under any circumstance.
It’s either superstition or mental illness. Possibly a pathological combination of both. Take your pick.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
Not hers. Yours.
You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
It's actually the mother's principles that are dictating that.
You're saying there's no logic behind the medical decision, but you have no problem defending the woman who's essentially saying the voices in her head told her not to get vaccinated.
And I don't necessarily agree with the medics, but I sure as shit think the mother is flat out wrong.
Not hers. Yours.
You are demanding that the child receive a treatment with maybe a 25% (and dropping) success rate or you will deny her child a 50% chance of living at least another ten years.
You didn't read what I said. I said I don't necessarily agree with the medics.
And I'm not demanding anything. I'm commenting on a news story.
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And let me tell you something else, sister... I've been a white coat for over 40 years. Hospital staff works on a shitload of patients that may not make it or are a waste of resources.
Just last Sunday, my little part of the world pulled out all the stops to save a 62 year-old alky with seizures, most likely due to her 328 blood ETOH. I know it was 328, because I ran it diluted vs. undiluted and took the average, since the diluted result was within the AMR.
By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.
After all, we can make our treatment rules, can't we?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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And let me tell you something else, sister... I've been a white coat for over 40 years. Hospital staff works on a shitload of patients that may not make it or are a waste of resources.
Just last Sunday, my little part of the world pulled out all the stops to save a 62 year-old alky with seizures, most likely due to her 328 blood ETOH. I know it was 328, because I ran it diluted vs. undiluted and took the average, since the diluted result was within the AMR.
By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.
After all, we can make our treatment rules, can't we?
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
By your thinking, maybe we should have parked the gurney in the parking lot and let nature take it's course.
Haven't you said in the past that people who won't look after themselves should be left to die?
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There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
There’s always someone next in line.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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As of the latest available data, precise numbers of pediatric patients currently on the heart transplant waiting list are not publicly disclosed in real-time. However, historical data provides some context:
• Transplants Performed: In 2020, there were 465 pediatric heart transplants performed in the United States, a slight decrease from 509 in 2019. 
• Waitlist Outcomes: A study analyzing pediatric heart transplant candidates listed between July 2016 and April 2019 found that out of 1,789 candidates, 65% underwent heart transplantation, 14% died or deteriorated while waiting, 8% were removed from the list due to improvement, and 13% were still waiting at the end of the study period. These figures suggest that at any given time, there are several hundred pediatric patients awaiting heart transplants in the U.S. For the most current and specific numbers, it’s advisable to consult the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) or the Scientific Registry of Transplant Recipients (SRTR), which regularly publish detailed statistics on transplant waitlists and outcomes.
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@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
There’s always someone next in line.
@jon-nyc said in Well, die then.:
@Jolly said in Well, die then.:
There is no next child in line, per se.
Either a heart matches or it does not.
Therefore, I can only surmise your principles demand that we throw a good heart in the gut bucket.
There’s always someone next in line.
Not that matches.
