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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #38

    Yeah. Right.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
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      #39

      I guess it depends on your definition of fairness. Like if it includes billionaires filing expensive but frivolous lawsuits against middle class women in Iowa.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #40

        Normally, a person would say that's a crappy outlier poll and carry on.

        But no, because of an election shot through with murkiness, bad practices and simple outright cheating, highly unusual acts become highly suspect. Get used to it. Much like Dingy Harry's disregard for long-standing Senate rules, Dems have shifted the paradigm.

        THIS is the new reality. You may not like it, but you're going to live with it, and probably die with it. As will I.

        If Trump has one over-reaching redeeming quality, it's as a catalyst. Maybe it's a reaction that's not for the best, but a lot of times, the end result is good. The end of overt election interference is good. The end of election cheating is good. The end of lawfare is good. The end of Justice Department persecution is good. The end of the "basement strategy" is good. The end of Sullivan will be wonderful.

        You see no good, because of hate.

        Well, as mama said, you've got the same pants to get glad in. On January 20th, Donald J. Trump will become the 47th POTUS.

        The President of the United States and the President of Jon.

        Enjoy! 😄😄

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          jon-nyc
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          #41

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            jon-nyc
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            #42

            Quite a change of heart in just two weeks. Or maybe it’s just different when it’s his guys rather than some random government employee with a very DEI-ish title that he exposed to his 200+ million followers.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              #43

              (To be clear, I’m not a fan of publicizing the names of federal workers in controversial areas whether it’s Elon doing it or a twitter rando, really just pointing out Elon’s hypocrisy here)

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                jon-nyc
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                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Is anonymous synonymous with free speech?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Trump's own personal polls touted his winning New York and California. Can I sue?

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      #47

                      Not having been born in the last three weeks, I’m old enough to remember when republicans didn’t think the White House’s job included policing its view of disinformation.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Free speech != free access to the white house press briefing room. I'm glad they have seats for "new press", and if they'd like to hold the AP accountable for being obstinate about the Gulf of America, ok by me. I don't mistake calling it "the Gulf of Mexico" for a principled stance. It is a child holding their breath.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          The AP is an international news provider and its an international body of water. Only one country refers to it as 'Gulf of America', which is even a minority of those that touch its shores. Not to mention the rest of the world.

                          If Cuba hand changed the name to 'Gulf of Fidel' would AP holding out be like a child holding their breath?

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                              When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                              In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                The AP is an international news provider and its an international body of water. Only one country refers to it as 'Gulf of America', which is even a minority of those that touch its shores. Not to mention the rest of the world.

                                If Cuba hand changed the name to 'Gulf of Fidel' would AP holding out be like a child holding their breath?

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                                @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                The AP is an international news provider and its an international body of water. Only one country refers to it as 'Gulf of America', which is even a minority of those that touch its shores. Not to mention the rest of the world.

                                If Cuba hand changed the name to 'Gulf of Fidel' would AP holding out be like a child holding their breath?

                                Fair enough, you could make a case that the AP stories are not for an American audience. The practical truth of the audience that reads these stories would probably work against that claim, but the theoretical claim could still be made.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  I’m going with Golfo del Gringo Loco.

                                  Has nice lyrical ring to it.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                    Compelled speech... you wonder what Jordan Peterson is thinking right now.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      #55

                                      He's thinking some of you are picayunish idiots.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                        When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                        In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                        When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                        In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                                        FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                          When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                          In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                                          FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                          @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                          When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                          In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                                          FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

                                          It's difficult for me to take seriously any claim that political alignment has never played a part in the secret filtering process of which media outlets are included and excluded from the WH press briefing room. Now those decisions are under a microscope, and the rhetorical hand wringers can do their hand wringing. I'm not obligated to be impressed.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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