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Glad the free speech folks are in charge

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Quite a change of heart in just two weeks. Or maybe it’s just different when it’s his guys rather than some random government employee with a very DEI-ish title that he exposed to his 200+ million followers.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        (To be clear, I’m not a fan of publicizing the names of federal workers in controversial areas whether it’s Elon doing it or a twitter rando, really just pointing out Elon’s hypocrisy here)

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Is anonymous synonymous with free speech?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Trump's own personal polls touted his winning New York and California. Can I sue?

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                Not having been born in the last three weeks, I’m old enough to remember when republicans didn’t think the White House’s job included policing its view of disinformation.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  Free speech != free access to the white house press briefing room. I'm glad they have seats for "new press", and if they'd like to hold the AP accountable for being obstinate about the Gulf of America, ok by me. I don't mistake calling it "the Gulf of Mexico" for a principled stance. It is a child holding their breath.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    The AP is an international news provider and its an international body of water. Only one country refers to it as 'Gulf of America', which is even a minority of those that touch its shores. Not to mention the rest of the world.

                    If Cuba hand changed the name to 'Gulf of Fidel' would AP holding out be like a child holding their breath?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                        When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                        In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          The AP is an international news provider and its an international body of water. Only one country refers to it as 'Gulf of America', which is even a minority of those that touch its shores. Not to mention the rest of the world.

                          If Cuba hand changed the name to 'Gulf of Fidel' would AP holding out be like a child holding their breath?

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                          @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                          The AP is an international news provider and its an international body of water. Only one country refers to it as 'Gulf of America', which is even a minority of those that touch its shores. Not to mention the rest of the world.

                          If Cuba hand changed the name to 'Gulf of Fidel' would AP holding out be like a child holding their breath?

                          Fair enough, you could make a case that the AP stories are not for an American audience. The practical truth of the audience that reads these stories would probably work against that claim, but the theoretical claim could still be made.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            I’m going with Golfo del Gringo Loco.

                            Has nice lyrical ring to it.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                              When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                              Compelled speech... you wonder what Jordan Peterson is thinking right now.

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                                He's thinking some of you are picayunish idiots.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                  When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                  In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

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                                  @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                  When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                  In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                                  FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                    In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                                    FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    @Horace said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Glad the free speech folks are in charge:

                                    When the WH spokesman says 'we're holding you accountable for speech we don't like' the first amendment is implicated.

                                    In context, obviously that accountability is limited to access to the WH briefing room, and the first amendment is not implicated unless you're motivated to squint.

                                    FIRE disagrees with you. Maybe it'll get litigated, but I doubt it, as AP realizes they'll just get punished in some other way.

                                    It's difficult for me to take seriously any claim that political alignment has never played a part in the secret filtering process of which media outlets are included and excluded from the WH press briefing room. Now those decisions are under a microscope, and the rhetorical hand wringers can do their hand wringing. I'm not obligated to be impressed.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      I’ll call that faith-based whattabouttism. “Your side has probably done it too, but secretly”.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        I’ll call that faith-based whattabouttism. “Your side has probably done it too, but secretly”.

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                                        @jon-nyc I need no faith for the two claims in that post. That the filtering process for which media gets a seat in the briefing room is secret, and that political alignment plays a role. Are you denying either of those?

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          It's a term. One that is apparently not engraved in stone.

                                          I think the issue is a bit silly, but so be it. No First Amendment rights have been abridged.

                                          Access to the Whitehouse Briefing Room is a privilege, it is not a right. People have been barred in the past and they will be barred in the future.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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