Zelensky Speaks in PA
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 13:47 last edited by
Also the original post seems to be misleading. He made his remarks in an interview with the New Yorker. Not at a political event in PA.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 14:39 last edited by
Zelenskys comments in the New Yorker interview are a bit of a yawner to me. Probably more unsettling is allowing him to come to the US, and start signing bombs that will be used to kill people in a conflict that is not our own. Even more inappropriate to have US officials doing so.
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His visit seems normal to me. @xenon makes a good point about US interests in Ukraine beating up on Russia. Z's comments are also pretty accurate, sorry if that hurts feelings.
wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 14:48 last edited by Renauda@89th said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
His visit seems normal to me. @xenon makes a good point about US interests in Ukraine beating up on Russia. Z's comments are also pretty accurate, sorry if that hurts feelings.
I would agree.
Zelenskyi understands the Russian mentality as it stands today. He has to, it’s a matter of national survival.
There are few Western countries that do understand the mentality driving Kremlin’s revanchist polity. One nation that does is Finland. Finland’s recent joining of NATO tells us volumes about the Kremlin’s mindset. We should all know take pause and heed what the Finns are saying and doing:
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 14:57 last edited by
I have no problem with funding Ukraine's efforts.
I have no problem with Zelensky coming here to ask the US to write another check.
My concern, since noted by Jon to be misplaced, was his giving political points to the Harris campaign, while, supposedly, on the taxpayer's dime.
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I have no problem with funding Ukraine's efforts.
I have no problem with Zelensky coming here to ask the US to write another check.
My concern, since noted by Jon to be misplaced, was his giving political points to the Harris campaign, while, supposedly, on the taxpayer's dime.
wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 16:23 last edited by RenaudaUnder the present circumstances, Zelenskyi is doing nothing different than Churchill did in during his visit to the US in late 1940 and early 1941.
Don’t think for a moment that Churchill was not also a guest of the POTUS and made it clear to the American public that he did not support the America First Committee or the isolationist factions in the both the DNC and RNC in the then upcoming 1942 US presidential elections.
i agree it would be wholly inappropriate for the present day Canadian PM, British PM or President of Mexico to favour one ticket over another. But then none of the above are at war with a known adversary of the US and the NATO alliance.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 16:23 last edited by
It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 16:26 last edited by
He was more nuanced about Trump. It was really Vance he was dismissive about.
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It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 17:37 last edited by Mik@LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.
If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.
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Under the present circumstances, Zelenskyi is doing nothing different than Churchill did in during his visit to the US in late 1940 and early 1941.
Don’t think for a moment that Churchill was not also a guest of the POTUS and made it clear to the American public that he did not support the America First Committee or the isolationist factions in the both the DNC and RNC in the then upcoming 1942 US presidential elections.
i agree it would be wholly inappropriate for the present day Canadian PM, British PM or President of Mexico to favour one ticket over another. But then none of the above are at war with a known adversary of the US and the NATO alliance.
wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 17:38 last edited by Mik@Renauda said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
Under the present circumstances, Zelenskyi is doing nothing different than Churchill did in during his visit to the US in late 1940 and early 1941.
Don’t think for a moment that Churchill was not also a guest of the POTUS and made it clear to the American public that he did not support the America First Committee or the isolationist factions in the both the DNC and RNC in the then upcoming 1942 US presidential elections.
i agree it would be wholly inappropriate for the present day Canadian PM, British PM or President of Mexico to favour one ticket over another. But then none of the above are at war with a known adversary of the US and the NATO alliance.
Agreed. Context is important.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.
If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.
wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 17:40 last edited by@Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
@LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.
If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.
Oh, the reasons to not vote Trump are many and strong. My problem is the alternative.
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@Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
@LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.
If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.
Oh, the reasons to not vote Trump are many and strong. My problem is the alternative.
wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 17:44 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
@Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
@LuFins-Dad said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
It’s an incredibly foolish move on Zelenskyy’s part. There’s a 50/50 chance that guy is going to be President. A guy that is known to hold grudges…
That's evidently a risk he felt he had to take.
If it's true that he would shape crucial foreign policy on personal grudges, that's a great reason not to vote for Trump.
Oh, the reasons to not vote Trump are many and strong. My problem is the alternative.
Nuance in voting preferences? What, do you think you're better than everybody else? Mr hoity toity nuance with your ability to see "pros" and "cons" between two flawed candidates?
Sorry - but - when democracy is on the line, "nuance" is just another word for "Nazi".
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 18:50 last edited by
Wait, I thought those were the Ukrainians. This is all so confusing.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2024, 22:15 last edited by Renauda
@Mik said in Zelensky Speaks in PA:
Wait, I thought those were the Ukrainians. This is all so confusing.
Only those from Western Ukraine are
BanderistiNazis, all others are (allegedly) a figment of the foreign imagination.