Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT
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@taiwan_girl said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@Mik I get what you are saying, but the only real vote is in November. Is there any rule in the US that a party has to have a primary to nominate a president?
What would have happened if President Trump had been assassinated? Would Sen. Vance be the nominated?
No, Vance was not the VP nominee at that point.
The point is not valid anyway, as there is quite a difference between the presumptive nominee being assassinated or the party deciding to push out the nominee because they thought he couldn’t win. This would. Actually, it would be more palatable if they forced him out of office via the 25th. Then they could claim incompetence, but they didn’t. So yeah, this is pretty egregious.
But comeon, you and I were both saying over a year ago that they would let him be the nominee up until after the primaries, then they would switch him out with a handpicked successor candidate to avoid any chance of nominating an unwanted successor. This is exactly what they did, just 2 weeks earlier than we predicted.
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@Axtremus said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
I meant your pet goes missing and you suspect foul play. Who do you call? The cops? Or your Senator’s office?
The Daily Show asks the same question:
Link to video
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@taiwan_girl said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
President Biden was never a strong candidate. And I am sure that the Democrats knew this. If he was so weak a candidate months ago, what would be the benefit to not allowing a primary? They could have easily "persuaded" him to not run again months ago.
When you tell a big lie, you eventually have to follow the initial lie with a lot more. Biden 's cognitive abilities and his deteriorating health were well known in the upper levels of the Democrat party.
But the campaign was under way. They'd raised a lot of money. They'd made a lot of ads. So, they lied. They covered things up, closely monitored his schedule, pilled or shot him up as necessary.
Even the Vice-President, the person sworn to protect this country from all enemies, foreign or domestic, went right along with the charade. Kamala-lama-ding-dong didn't utter a peep. A whisper. Even one of her patented whines.
THIS is the person you are advocating for President. A person who enjoys their power so much, they don't care how much they lie to the American people.
And if Kamala-lama-ding-dong will lie about something so important as the mental health of a man with the power to destroy most of the planet, what else do you think she will lie to the American public about?
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@Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Maybe the parsimonious explanation for your assuredness that no calls were made, is that it makes Vance a liar, and you like believing that about Vance. I mean just maybe. Since we're talking parsimony.
Let’s talk parsimony. You can sorta just barely imagine someone calling Vance’s office with the news their cat was eaten. But he says there were ‘many’ calls and the city received zero.
You gonna believe that EVERYBODY decided to call their Senator rather than the local authorities? Is that really easier for you to believe than Vance was just trying to boost what he (mistakenly) thought would be a politically-advantageous meme?
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You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.
But you sure are behind this one...
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@Horace said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Maybe the parsimonious explanation for your assuredness that no calls were made, is that it makes Vance a liar, and you like believing that about Vance. I mean just maybe. Since we're talking parsimony.
Let’s talk parsimony. You can sorta just barely imagine someone calling Vance’s office with the news their cat was eaten. But he says there were ‘many’ calls and the city received zero.
You gonna believe that EVERYBODY decided to call their Senator rather than the local authorities? Is that really easier for you to believe than Vance was just trying to boost what he (mistakenly) thought would be a politically-advantageous meme?
I agree that if the calls exist, they are probably not based on first-hand experience with losing pets to immigrants. A parsimonious explanation is that they were hoax calls or wish-casting calls from credulous people who heard the rumor. According to Vance's description, it was people calling about their "neighbors or friends" rather than themselves. When Vance says they may all turn out to be false rumors, I imagine he suspects they are exactly that. It's not actually a high bar of plausibility that some calls were made to Vance's office, and that's why I find your assuredness unearned, and motivated by sneering contempt for the liar Vance.
I'm not sure how you judge that the rumor isn't politically advantageous. If you go by your media and twitter feeds, Trump wouldn't be getting a single vote. And yet there he is, in a dead heat.
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@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.
You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.
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@Jolly @George-K @LuFins-Dad @Mik
I agree it wasn't fair and it really was a coupe.
But it seems so poorly managed that I don't think that there was as much pre-thought and planning that went into it.
If in Sept 2023, you asked Demcrocats who should be running for President if President Biden did not, I am guessing that VP Harris would not win the poll.
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TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.
Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@LuFins-Dad said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
TLDR - Kamala won the debate, but Trump picked up more voters from it.
Nate ranks them 79th in terms of reliability. He hasn’t updated his forecast because no pollster he considers reliable has come out with new data.
Great. So go back to the NYT/Sienna poll. Trump 48% - Harris 47%. How many of that 48% do you think changed their mind? Do you think that a single person that responded they were going to vote for Trump switched their vote?
That leaves “undecided” and non-responsive. Trump has always outperformed in these groups. Donald outperformed polls by over 3% in each of the last two elections do you expect any different this time?
A ridiculously small sample size, but Reuters interviewed 10 undecided voters before and after the debate. Almost all agreed that Kamala won, but 6 said they were closer to voting for Trump after the debate, 3 towards Kamala, and 1 unmoved by either.
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@Mik said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
Define winning.
I'm pretty sure I won the debate. I watched Kaos on Netflix.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@jon-nyc said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
@Jolly said in Debate Tonight 9/10/24 9:00 PM EDT:
You don't know. You have no credible source or news story.
You’ve got a fourth-person account from a random Facebook post, a series of memes resulting from it, and a presidential candidate that has become a laughingstock by repeating it in such a meme-able way.
Good summary
