Serial Numbers

[George K]

@Jolly said in Serial Numbers:

Should mail-in ballots have serial numbers?

The fact that this is the first time I've heard of such an idea is sad.

[Tom-K]

Depens on the cereal. Cherrios, fine. Captain Crunch NEVER.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Serial Numbers:

Should mail-in ballots have serial numbers?

1. Why? What do you want to do with the serial numbers?
2. Why only apply serial numbers to mail-in ballot? Why not have serial numbers for all ballots?

[Jolly]

@Tom-K said in Serial Numbers:

Depens on the cereal. Cherrios, fine. Captain Crunch NEVER.

Chex mate?

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Serial Numbers:

@Jolly said in Serial Numbers:

Should mail-in ballots have serial numbers?

1. Why? What do you want to do with the serial numbers?
2. Why only apply serial numbers to mail-in ballot? Why not have serial numbers for all ballots?

1. Ballot security.
2. Ballot security.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Serial Numbers:

@Axtremus said in Serial Numbers:

@Jolly said in Serial Numbers:

Should mail-in ballots have serial numbers?

1. Why? What do you want to do with the serial numbers?
2. Why only apply serial numbers to mail-in ballot? Why not have serial numbers for all ballots?

1. Ballot security.
2. Ballot security.

Insufficient answers.
For 1 you stated only a purpose but not the mechanism to achieve the purpose.
For 2 you stated only a justification but provided no explanation for how that differentiated application of serial numbers to mail-in and other ballots supports that justification.

It appears you know not what you speak.

[Jolly]

Lad, you're just too dumb to understand.

[Axtremus]

You’re too dumb to recognize what you don’t know.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Serial Numbers:

You’re too dumb to recognize what you don’t know.

IYKYK.

[taiwan_girl]

the problem I would have with that is that it would eliminate privacy. If I understand your proposal, each ballot would be tied to(or at least identified) to a person. Then it would be able to see how everyone voted.

So, for that reason, I am not sure it is a good idea.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Serial Numbers:

the problem I would have with that is that it would eliminate privacy. If I understand your proposal, each ballot would be tied to(or at least identified) to a person. Then it would be able to see how everyone voted.

So, for that reason, I am not sure it is a good idea.

Why would it have to be tied to one person?

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in Serial Numbers:

the problem I would have with that is that it would eliminate privacy. If I understand your proposal, each ballot would be tied to(or at least identified) to a person. Then it would be able to see how everyone voted.

So, for that reason, I am not sure it is a good idea.

You realize that mail in ballots are supposed to be signed, right? Or have other less reliable methods of identity verification?

[89th]

Makes sense to me. I've mentioned in the past how I think eventually (who knows how long) voting will be via a secure auditable method over the internet. No idea how, but... #blockchain

[Jolly]

Next question...What do election officials do, when two ballots with the same serial number are received?

[taiwan_girl]

@jolly I am quite sure what a serial number would do. I am not understanding. Would this be to ensure that fake ballots are not printed?

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Serial Numbers:

@jolly I am quite sure what a serial number would do. I am not understanding. Would this be to ensure that fake ballots are not printed?

Yep.

[89th]

Yeah for example in the 2020 election, Republicans committed more fraud than Democrats and even though we still lost, it's a reminder that it is possible, although not as widespread overall as you might think.

[LuFins Dad]

Print ballots on the same paper money is printed on, with the threads and such. And gave each state include a nonreplicable hologram like the drivers license and larger denomination bills. And back it up with a detachable serial number card.

[LuFins Dad]

Or do away with/severely restrict mail in ballots.

[Doctor Phibes]

I'm pretty sure British ballot papers have serial numbers, but they're not allowed to be linked to an individual without a court order.

It seems to me that both sides of these discussions over-do the hysteria. On one side you've got people saying it would lead to intimidation, which it almost certainly wouldn't, on the other side you've got people claiming there's a ton of election fraud, which there almost certainly isn't.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I've never worked in some bloody awful little voting station somewhere and you wouldn't believe your eyes, and let's not forget those two black guys with billy-clubs that time got Obama elected.

I also don't really see the problem with serial numbers or voter ID TBH, but there's also this narrative about voter suppression which clearly existed years ago.....