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Axtremus

@Axtremus said in Serial Numbers:

@Jolly said in Serial Numbers:

Should mail-in ballots have serial numbers?

Why? What do you want to do with the serial numbers?

Why only apply serial numbers to mail-in ballot? Why not have serial numbers for all ballots?

Ballot security.

Ballot security.

Insufficient answers.
For 1 you stated only a purpose but not the mechanism to achieve the purpose.
For 2 you stated only a justification but provided no explanation for how that differentiated application of serial numbers to mail-in and other ballots supports that justification.

It appears you know not what you speak.

Jolly

Lad, you're just too dumb to understand.

Axtremus

You’re too dumb to recognize what you don’t know.

Jolly

@Axtremus said in Serial Numbers:

You’re too dumb to recognize what you don’t know.

IYKYK.

taiwan_girl

the problem I would have with that is that it would eliminate privacy. If I understand your proposal, each ballot would be tied to(or at least identified) to a person. Then it would be able to see how everyone voted.

So, for that reason, I am not sure it is a good idea.

Jolly

@taiwan_girl said in Serial Numbers:

the problem I would have with that is that it would eliminate privacy. If I understand your proposal, each ballot would be tied to(or at least identified) to a person. Then it would be able to see how everyone voted.

So, for that reason, I am not sure it is a good idea.

Why would it have to be tied to one person?

LuFins Dad

@taiwan_girl said in Serial Numbers:

the problem I would have with that is that it would eliminate privacy. If I understand your proposal, each ballot would be tied to(or at least identified) to a person. Then it would be able to see how everyone voted.

So, for that reason, I am not sure it is a good idea.

You realize that mail in ballots are supposed to be signed, right? Or have other less reliable methods of identity verification?

89th

Makes sense to me. I've mentioned in the past how I think eventually (who knows how long) voting will be via a secure auditable method over the internet. No idea how, but... #blockchain

Jolly

Next question...What do election officials do, when two ballots with the same serial number are received?

taiwan_girl

@jolly I am quite sure what a serial number would do. I am not understanding. Would this be to ensure that fake ballots are not printed?

Jolly

@taiwan_girl said in Serial Numbers:

@jolly I am quite sure what a serial number would do. I am not understanding. Would this be to ensure that fake ballots are not printed?

Yep.

89th

Yeah for example in the 2020 election, Republicans committed more fraud than Democrats and even though we still lost, it's a reminder that it is possible, although not as widespread overall as you might think.

LuFins Dad

Print ballots on the same paper money is printed on, with the threads and such. And gave each state include a nonreplicable hologram like the drivers license and larger denomination bills. And back it up with a detachable serial number card.

LuFins Dad

Or do away with/severely restrict mail in ballots.

Doctor Phibes

I'm pretty sure British ballot papers have serial numbers, but they're not allowed to be linked to an individual without a court order.

It seems to me that both sides of these discussions over-do the hysteria. On one side you've got people saying it would lead to intimidation, which it almost certainly wouldn't, on the other side you've got people claiming there's a ton of election fraud, which there almost certainly isn't.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I've never worked in some bloody awful little voting station somewhere and you wouldn't believe your eyes, and let's not forget those two black guys with billy-clubs that time got Obama elected.

I also don't really see the problem with serial numbers or voter ID TBH, but there's also this narrative about voter suppression which clearly existed years ago.....

LuFins Dad

@Doctor-Phibes said in Serial Numbers:

I'm pretty sure British ballot papers have serial numbers, but they're not allowed to be linked to an individual without a court order.

It seems to me that both sides of these discussions over-do the hysteria. On one side you've got people saying it would lead to intimidation, which it almost certainly wouldn't, on the other side you've got people claiming there's a ton of election fraud, which there almost certainly isn't.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I've never worked in some bloody awful little voting station somewhere and you wouldn't believe your eyes, and let's not forget those two black guys with billy-clubs that time got Obama elected.

I also don't really see the problem with serial numbers or voter ID TBH, but there's also this narrative about voter suppression which clearly existed years ago.....

The issue is more important than the solution. Compromise… Put some reasonable restrictions on mail in voting with reasonable safety precautions. Require ID for ballot access, but also make Election Day a federal holiday. Reasonable compromise to enhance security AND participation, but both parties will fight it tooth and nail because the issue is more important than the resulution…

Jolly

@89th said in Serial Numbers:

Yeah for example in the 2020 election, Republicans committed more fraud than Democrats and even though we still lost, it's a reminder that it is possible, although not as widespread overall as you might think.

Nkpe. Republicans got caught more than Dems. The best Dem machines in the big cities. Ask George if a fraudulent vote ever occurs in Chicago.

Jolly

@LuFins-Dad said in Serial Numbers:

Print ballots on the same paper money is printed on, with the threads and such. And gave each state include a nonreplicable hologram like the drivers license and larger denomination bills. And back it up with a detachable serial number card.

And never, ever send someone a ballot they did not request.

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