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The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #139

    And they have.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
      wrote on last edited by
      #140

      55 pages is not unreasonable for a bureaucratic thing like jury instructions. Again not unreasonable to consider boilerplate.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG George K

        jon-nycJ Offline
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        #141

        @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

        Misleading. His instructions make sense. He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime. He’s saying the jury doesn’t have to agree what the underlying crime was, as long as they believe he kniew about it and falsified records because of it. The jury does have to be unanimous that he falsified records with the motivation of covering up a crime.

        (In fact, under the law, Trump doesn’t even have to be the one who committed the crime being covered up.)

        You were warned.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #142

          If that be the case, a very bad law.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

            Misleading. His instructions make sense. He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime. He’s saying the jury doesn’t have to agree what the underlying crime was, as long as they believe he kniew about it and falsified records because of it. The jury does have to be unanimous that he falsified records with the motivation of covering up a crime.

            (In fact, under the law, Trump doesn’t even have to be the one who committed the crime being covered up.)

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #143

            @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

            He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime.

            An unspecified crime. Has that even been revealed in testimony or evidence?

            Would any crime do? Murder? Robbing a bank? Jaywalking?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #144

              Show me the man....

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG George K

                @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime.

                An unspecified crime. Has that even been revealed in testimony or evidence?

                Would any crime do? Murder? Robbing a bank? Jaywalking?

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by Jolly
                #145

                @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime.

                An unspecified crime. Has that even been revealed in testimony or evidence?

                Would any crime do? Murder? Robbing a bank? Jaywalking?

                Doesn't matter. It's a political trial. Stefanik has even filed a complaint that the judge was hand-picked.

                They don't care about the application of the law, they only care about a conviction. Even knowing that multiple grounds exist for that conviction to be overturned, from a goofy bootstrapping of state law into federal law, selective prosecution, inability to obtain a fair trial, the denial of expert witnesses for the defense, the introduction of non-bearing salacious testimony, the weird jury instructions...It all points to a political show trial.

                Americans can only hope that this current season of lawfare backfires spectacularly. Nothing breeds avoidance in American politics as knowing your tactics will get you savaged at the ballot box.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #146

                  IMG_0335.jpeg

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #147

                    They have reached a verdict.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #148

                      Beat me to it. The Jury requested 20 minutes thirty minutes ago. Merchan is back on the bench. Should be any minute.

                      The Brad

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by George K
                        #149

                        Guilty on 34 counts.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #150

                          Unfrigging believable.

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            Unfrigging believable.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by Jolly
                            #151

                            @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                            Unfrigging believable.

                            Told ya. It's a political trial.

                            They shredded the law, fixed the trial and pissed on the Constitution.

                            Payback is hell and the stupid-ass Demonrat zealots have opened a door best left shut.

                            It's now open season on ex-Presidents.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #152

                              And some of you dumb bastards are worried about Trump being a fascist dictator?

                              Bwhahahahahaha!

                              Oh, my giddy aunt! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #153

                                Trump gave a little speech. He was unusually quiet, and looked very tired.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #154

                                  There is a bright side.

                                  Clinton and Obama will be going to jail.

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                                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #155

                                    Dont worry guys, it’s not over until the Fat Guy goes to Sing Sing.

                                    You were warned.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #156

                                      What are the odds that this will be reversed on appeal?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #157

                                        Still a NY Appellate Court, no? What makes you think it would be any better?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • CopperC Offline
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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #158

                                          When do the mostly peaceful riots start?

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