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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
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    #135

    Further proof of the corruption of our justice system.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      Further proof of the corruption of our justice system.

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      Jolly
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      #136

      @Mik said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

      Further proof of the corruption of our justice system.

      Yessir.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Jolly
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        #137

        55 pages of judge instructions for the jury. Instructions that they [jury] did not get a copy of, that were read to them by the judge.

        Jeez...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          55 pages of judge instructions for the jury. Instructions that they [jury] did not get a copy of, that were read to them by the judge.

          Jeez...

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          George K
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          #138

          @Jolly said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

          55 pages of judge instructions for the jury.

          Not all that unusual.

          Instructions that they [jury] did not get a copy of, that were read to them by the judge.

          If they forget, can they request the judge to return and read them again?

          And again.

          And again..

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #139

            And they have.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Horace
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              #140

              55 pages is not unreasonable for a bureaucratic thing like jury instructions. Again not unreasonable to consider boilerplate.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • George KG George K

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                jon-nyc
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                #141

                @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                Misleading. His instructions make sense. He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime. He’s saying the jury doesn’t have to agree what the underlying crime was, as long as they believe he kniew about it and falsified records because of it. The jury does have to be unanimous that he falsified records with the motivation of covering up a crime.

                (In fact, under the law, Trump doesn’t even have to be the one who committed the crime being covered up.)

                You were warned.

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                  Jolly
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                  #142

                  If that be the case, a very bad law.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    Misleading. His instructions make sense. He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime. He’s saying the jury doesn’t have to agree what the underlying crime was, as long as they believe he kniew about it and falsified records because of it. The jury does have to be unanimous that he falsified records with the motivation of covering up a crime.

                    (In fact, under the law, Trump doesn’t even have to be the one who committed the crime being covered up.)

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                    George K
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                    @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime.

                    An unspecified crime. Has that even been revealed in testimony or evidence?

                    Would any crime do? Murder? Robbing a bank? Jaywalking?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      #144

                      Show me the man....

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • George KG George K

                        @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                        He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime.

                        An unspecified crime. Has that even been revealed in testimony or evidence?

                        Would any crime do? Murder? Robbing a bank? Jaywalking?

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                        Jolly
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                        #145

                        @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                        @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                        He’s charged with falsifying business records to cover up a crime.

                        An unspecified crime. Has that even been revealed in testimony or evidence?

                        Would any crime do? Murder? Robbing a bank? Jaywalking?

                        Doesn't matter. It's a political trial. Stefanik has even filed a complaint that the judge was hand-picked.

                        They don't care about the application of the law, they only care about a conviction. Even knowing that multiple grounds exist for that conviction to be overturned, from a goofy bootstrapping of state law into federal law, selective prosecution, inability to obtain a fair trial, the denial of expert witnesses for the defense, the introduction of non-bearing salacious testimony, the weird jury instructions...It all points to a political show trial.

                        Americans can only hope that this current season of lawfare backfires spectacularly. Nothing breeds avoidance in American politics as knowing your tactics will get you savaged at the ballot box.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #146

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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #147

                            They have reached a verdict.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              Beat me to it. The Jury requested 20 minutes thirty minutes ago. Merchan is back on the bench. Should be any minute.

                              The Brad

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by George K
                                #149

                                Guilty on 34 counts.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #150

                                  Unfrigging believable.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    Unfrigging believable.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                    #151

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                    Unfrigging believable.

                                    Told ya. It's a political trial.

                                    They shredded the law, fixed the trial and pissed on the Constitution.

                                    Payback is hell and the stupid-ass Demonrat zealots have opened a door best left shut.

                                    It's now open season on ex-Presidents.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #152

                                      And some of you dumb bastards are worried about Trump being a fascist dictator?

                                      Bwhahahahahaha!

                                      Oh, my giddy aunt! 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        George K
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                                        #153

                                        Trump gave a little speech. He was unusually quiet, and looked very tired.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Copper
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                                          #154

                                          There is a bright side.

                                          Clinton and Obama will be going to jail.

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