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  • J Jolly
    26 Apr 2024, 13:32

    Trump had an interesting statement...To paraphrase: When elected president, I will make sure civil rights of all students are observed at universities. Failure to do so will result in fines, including going after endowments.

    I can see the fines, but how can you legally attack an endowment?

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 14:29 last edited by
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    @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

    Trump had an interesting statement...To paraphrase: When elected president, I will make sure civil rights of all students are observed at universities. Failure to do so will result in fines, including going after endowments.

    I can see the fines, but how can you legally attack an endowment?

    Only with legislation. But that idea has been floated already by the GOP.

    The civil rights division of the DoJ could cause the universities quite a bit of pain on this issue if they wanted to, which would fuel individual lawsuits as well.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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    • J Jolly
      26 Apr 2024, 14:00

      I think we're in big trouble.

      I firmly believe in a free speech area on campus. Protest, scream, argue and persuade to your heart's content. At LSU, it used to be called Free Speech Alley, where as long as it didn't get physical or break any laws such as public nudity or shooting up drugs, you could say or do about what you wanted to. But your time at the university would be very short if you wanted to carry that stuff out of the alley to where it impinged upon other students and their education.

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      blondie
      wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 16:08 last edited by
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      @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

      I think we're in big trouble.

      I firmly believe in a free speech area on campus. Protest, scream, argue and persuade to your heart's content. At LSU, it used to be called Free Speech Alley, where as long as it didn't get physical or break any laws such as public nudity or shooting up drugs, you could say or do about what you wanted to. But your time at the university would be very short if you wanted to carry that stuff out of the alley to where it impinged upon other students and their education.

      We had one where I did undergrad, “Speakers’ Corner”.. It was an inside large area, an intersection of 4 hallways & the main entry to 4 buildings. Everything was protested: tuition, abortion, gays, women’s’ rights, wars, Trudeau #1, Quebec, guns, cannabis. Things were also celebrated: Hockey, last days of classes. When the crowds got too large, they simply had the fire department close it down for safety reasons. People exited to the outside to continue on an adjacent small hill, which also got closed down by campus security & the police on occasion.

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        26 Apr 2024, 16:08

        @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

        I think we're in big trouble.

        I firmly believe in a free speech area on campus. Protest, scream, argue and persuade to your heart's content. At LSU, it used to be called Free Speech Alley, where as long as it didn't get physical or break any laws such as public nudity or shooting up drugs, you could say or do about what you wanted to. But your time at the university would be very short if you wanted to carry that stuff out of the alley to where it impinged upon other students and their education.

        We had one where I did undergrad, “Speakers’ Corner”.. It was an inside large area, an intersection of 4 hallways & the main entry to 4 buildings. Everything was protested: tuition, abortion, gays, women’s’ rights, wars, Trudeau #1, Quebec, guns, cannabis. Things were also celebrated: Hockey, last days of classes. When the crowds got too large, they simply had the fire department close it down for safety reasons. People exited to the outside to continue on an adjacent small hill, which also got closed down by campus security & the police on occasion.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 16:24 last edited by
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        @blondie said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

        Speakers’ Corner”.

        I think there is something like that in London - but upon to the public. If I remember, there is platform people can stand on to talk about tings. When i watched them, it was usually pretty weird crazy people talking mostly nonsense. Interesting and a bit funny.

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          Mik
          wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 20:27 last edited by
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          Same with Columbia - just more of em.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            Mik
            wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 21:33 last edited by
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            At Ohio State yesterday 36 were arrested. 20 were not students at all. Folks, these are paid agitators.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • M Mik
              26 Apr 2024, 21:33

              At Ohio State yesterday 36 were arrested. 20 were not students at all. Folks, these are paid agitators.

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              George K
              wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 21:35 last edited by
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              @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

              not students at all

              Ilhan Omar's daughter was arrested at Columbia. She's not a student there.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
                wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 22:29 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • G George K
                  26 Apr 2024, 21:35

                  @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                  not students at all

                  Ilhan Omar's daughter was arrested at Columbia. She's not a student there.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 22:39 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                  @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                  not students at all

                  Ilhan Omar's daughter was arrested at Columbia. She's not a student there.

                  She’s a Barnard student, IIRC, which is affiliated. Back in the olden days when Columbia only admitted men, it was the women’s college attached to it.

                  Remember Bootsy from PW? Anyone who has been to a NY piano party knows him. He used to be a prof there.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 23:34 last edited by
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                    Yeah, it's whataboutism, but...

                    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1783964668987609379.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 23:47 last edited by jon-nyc
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                      It’s also not about Columbia or any other institution in the news right now over the issue.

                      It seems to be an example of outgroup homogeneity bias:

                      Person A: I believe X
                      Person B: I believe !X

                      Person C You guys are hypocrites

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        89th
                        wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 03:42 last edited by
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                        The college left yearns to be part of a 1968 college protest level movement. One day they’ll grow up.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 03:57 last edited by
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                          You’re more optimistic than I am.

                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                          • M Mik
                            26 Apr 2024, 21:33

                            At Ohio State yesterday 36 were arrested. 20 were not students at all. Folks, these are paid agitators.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 08:08 last edited by
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                            @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                            At Ohio State yesterday 36 were arrested. 20 were not students at all. Folks, these are paid agitators.

                            Paid by the far Left. Agitation, destabilization, trying to influence votes.

                            We've seen this before.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • J Jolly
                              27 Apr 2024, 08:08

                              @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                              At Ohio State yesterday 36 were arrested. 20 were not students at all. Folks, these are paid agitators.

                              Paid by the far Left. Agitation, destabilization, trying to influence votes.

                              We've seen this before.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 11:48 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                              We've seen this before.

                              Chicago's gonna be a hoot in August.

                              image.jpeg

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 12:15 last edited by
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                                I think that was more organic. I've got the feeling much of the current situation is bought and paid for.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 12:34 last edited by Mik
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                                  In 1968 American kids were dying in Vietnam. Gazans are dying primarily because they supported, directly or indirectly, genocidal maniacs who see the deaths as fodder for their hatred. They love their grudges more than their children. There’s no legitimate comparison.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • M Mik
                                    27 Apr 2024, 12:34

                                    In 1968 American kids were dying in Vietnam. Gazans are dying primarily because they supported, directly or indirectly, genocidal maniacs who see the deaths as fodder for their hatred. They love their grudges more than their children. There’s no legitimate comparison.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 12:47 last edited by
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                                    @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                    In 1968 American kids were dying in Vietnam. Gazans are dying primarily because they supported, directly or indirectly, genocidal maniacs who see the deaths as fodder for their hatred. They love their grudges more than their children. There’s no legitimate comparison.

                                    I'm not drawing a comparison between the motivations of the two groups. Clearly they are different, as you point out.

                                    Simply saying that if you think the mayhem at the universities is something, just you wait.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      27 Apr 2024, 03:42

                                      The college left yearns to be part of a 1968 college protest level movement. One day they’ll grow up.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 14:39 last edited by
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                                      @89th said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                      The college left yearns to be part of a 1968 college protest level movement. One day they’ll grow up.

                                      That used to be true. It's what the boomers did.

                                      But you tend to grow up when you've a stake in something. Very much unlike boomers, today's kids grow up with dwindling job prospects, lower marriage rates, later marriages for those who marry at all, far fewer who have children, and no reasonable possibility of owning a home.

                                      Bootstrap platitudes don't really cut it.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 20:48 last edited by
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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 20:53 last edited by
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                                          Enact Sharia law on campus. Just on the protest area…

                                          The Brad

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