Trump fine GoFundMe
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I believe the investigations were started a number of years ago and initiated by investigative journalists with Forbes, WaPo, NY Times, etc. Eventually this led to interest from the NY tax dept and the DA. And yes, if you spend years inflating your worth to make money (via lower interest rates) and then you decide to run for President, that puts your life and history in the spotlight. Aka... FAFO. Not to mention his behavior in 2020 after he lost... but the charges were already underway by then I believe.
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Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If there was a crime, and he was charged even if others do the same thing and dont get charged, is that an excuse?
What if people are drink driving? "Hey, I saw three other people leave the bar over the drunk limit. Why dont you let me go?
(I know I know, apples vs. oranges. But the defense that "everybody does it", it is not a very good defense.)
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@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If there was a crime, and he was charged even if others do the same thing and dont get charged, is that an excuse?
What if people are drink driving? "Hey, I saw three other people leave the bar over the drunk limit. Why dont you let me go?
(I know I know, apples vs. oranges. But the defense that "everybody does it", it is not a very good defense.)
@taiwan_girl said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
What if people are drink driving? "Hey, I saw three other people leave the bar over the drunk limit. Why dont you let me go?
Officer: You know why I pulled you over?
Me: No.
Officer: You were doing 74 in a 55 zone.
Me: But everyone was going that fast.
Officer: Ever go fishing?
Me: Yes...
Officer: Ever catch all the fish?
As cute as that story is, it sort of misses the point, most of which is not legal but political.
- Has anyone ever been prosecuted for this crime?
- The DA ran on an agenda of targeting Trump - whom she claimed was guilty not only of being an (undefined) crook, but of being white.
- As a matter of right/wrong, is it right that you have to go bankrupt to defend yourself in court? If the stakes were smaller, would it be the right thing to take someone's house if he can't pay the fine while he appeals the judgment?
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It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
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@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
I hope you enjoy the world you wish for.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains. Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
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@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
I hope you enjoy the world you wish for.
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
I hope you enjoy the world you wish for.
What world is that? One where such a level of fraud is punished?
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@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains. Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains. Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
Give me one, besides Trump.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
I hope you enjoy the world you wish for.
What world is that? One where such a level of fraud is punished?
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Mik said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
Show me the man and I'll show you the crime. What you just posted proves my point.
If I ran for president you wouldn’t find much. Certainly not hundreds of millions of dollars in fraudulent profits. I doubt I’d find anything newsworthy on you either. Don’t attract the spotlight if you’ve done shady shit. If found, even if it was bill clinton in court today, I don’t have a problem with justice being served.
I hope you enjoy the world you wish for.
What world is that? One where such a level of fraud is punished?
You'd make a great FBI agent.
Or Nazi.
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@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains. Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
Give me one, besides Trump.
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains. Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
Give me one, besides Trump.
Here
New York State Has Issued Nearly 9,800 Felony Charges of Falsifying Business Records Since 2015
Data shows 9,794 cases involving state penal law 175.10, or falsifying business records in the first degree, have been arraigned in both local and superior New York state courts since 2015.Former President Donald Trump is far from the first person to face felony charges of falsifying business records—New York state has arraigned almost 9,800 cases involving the same charge since 2015, according to available data.
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@Jolly said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
It's not that everybody does it, it's that AFAIK, nobody has ever been prosecuted just this way under this statute, and NOBODY has received a fine such as this.
Personally, I think it's unconstitutional.
I guess we'll find out.
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains. Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
@89th said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
I’d imagine there have been countless of similar cases prosecuted for such type of fraud and ill gotten gains.
I may be wrong, but my understanding is that no one has been prosecuted for such a case in which there was no loss by any of the lenders. At least that’s what I read.
Not sure where to search and find that info, though.
Let us know if you find something.
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Here is a small list of the 9800 NY prosecutions (since 2015) for falsifying business records
President Trump case is on page 11 FYI
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So, if someone kills someone with a fly swatter and that has never been done before, should the person still be prosecuted?
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So, if someone kills someone with a fly swatter and that has never been done before, should the person still be prosecuted?
@taiwan_girl said in Trump fine GoFundMe:
So, if someone kills someone with a fly swatter and that has never been done before, should the person still be prosecuted?
The analogy would be if fly swatter killings were not uncommon, but never prosecuted until now.
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There is a first for everything. LOL. Again, if you broke the law and it has not been prosecuted before doesn't make you less guilty.
(I should say that I do not know the details of this cases whether he should have been found guilty of not. But the excuse that nobody else has been prosecuted for this is pretty week in my opinion. I have in the recent past there was a first time prosecution for crypto currency fraud. Claiming that you are innocent because others have been doing crypto currency fraud but not prosecuted........
Kind of like when the IRS prosecutes some high profile celebrity on a tax charge that "everybody is doing".)
