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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #8

    4-3. The interesting thing is that the judges are all capital D, and 3 still voted that Trump’s actions did not constitute insurrection.

    The Brad

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @George-K said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

      "In other words, a state court has found Trump guilty of a federal crime with which he's never even been charged, based on informal allegations of unlawful conduct that took place 2,000 miles from the court's jurisdiction. "

      That’s seems sufficiently uninformed to have been written by turley. Was it?

      Having said that, this whole avenue of attack is weak and I have no doubt SCOTUS will shut it down.

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      @jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

      That’s seems sufficiently uninformed to have been written by turley. Was it?

      No. It was Ed Morrissey. My bad, I copied without proper attribution like an Ivy League president.

      Why uninformed?

      State court: ✅
      Found guilty: ✅
      Federal Crime: ✅
      Not charged: ✅
      Informal allegations: ✅
      No jurisdiction in federal matters: ✅

      What did I get wrong?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #10

        The 14th amendment doesn’t mention anything about convictions for federal crimes.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          The 14th amendment doesn’t mention anything about convictions for federal crimes.

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          George K
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          #11

          @jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

          The 14th amendment doesn’t mention anything about convictions for federal crimes.

          Fair enough. Does Colorado have jurisdiction over federal elections?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
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            #12

            States make all kinds of rules about ballot access.

            You should read up on the clause. I think it’s vague and unworkable. SCOTUS needs to kill it outright.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              A few forum members are going to need to clean their keyboards and monitors (and not because of scotch)

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              @LuFins-Dad said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

              A few forum members are going to need to clean their keyboards and monitors (and not because of scotch)

              This is almost as arousing as those pictures of Hillary wearing orange.

              I was only joking

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                States make all kinds of rules about ballot access.

                You should read up on the clause. I think it’s vague and unworkable. SCOTUS needs to kill it outright.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
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                @jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                States make all kinds of rules about ballot access.

                For voters or candidates?

                You should read up on the clause. I think it’s vague and unworkable. SCOTUS needs to kill it outright.

                I did read it. You're right, it is vague. The language is also convoluted and confusing.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @George-K said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                  "In other words, a state court has found Trump guilty of a federal crime with which he's never even been charged, based on informal allegations of unlawful conduct that took place 2,000 miles from the court's jurisdiction. "

                  That’s seems sufficiently uninformed to have been written by turley. Was it?

                  Having said that, this whole avenue of attack is weak and I have no doubt SCOTUS will shut it down.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #15

                  @jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                  That’s seems sufficiently uninformed to have been written by turley. Was it?

                  Turley


                  The Colorado Supreme Court has issued an unsigned opinion disqualifying Trump from the ballot: "The sum of these parts is this: President Trump is disqualified from holding the office of President under Section Three; because he is disqualified."

                  This ends a string of losses for advocates of this dangerous novel theory. They finally found a court that would embrace what the court admits is a case of "first impression." My first impression remains that same. The court is dead wrong in my view.

                  It is striking that the court relies on Schenck v. U.S., where the Court upheld the denial of core free speech rights of a socialist opposing a war. The opinion of the Colorado Supreme Court is so sweeping that it would allow for tit-for-tat removals of candidates from ballots

                  The opinion is remarkable in how the four justices adopted the most sweeping interpretations to get over each barrier. The result is lack of a limiting principle. I view the opinion as strikingly anti-democratic in what it now allows states to do in blue and red states alike.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #16

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Well some good came of it then.

                      Just kidding- obviously this is ridiculous and should be overturned

                      I was only joking

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        What does Colorado want to be? Oregon East?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • George KG George K

                          @jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                          The 14th amendment doesn’t mention anything about convictions for federal crimes.

                          Fair enough. Does Colorado have jurisdiction over federal elections?

                          CopperC Offline
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                          @George-K said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                          Does Colorado have jurisdiction over federal elections?

                          I believe there are no federal elections.

                          Each State has its own process to choose electors.

                          Article II of the Constitution

                          Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

                          https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-2/

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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            Just curious, if this were a normal citizen would it be expedited to the SCOTUS just as quickly?

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                              For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                              Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

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                                I won’t feel safe until Colorado is in prison.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  #23

                                  I quite like the idea of an asshole registry. A bit like the sexual offenders register, but for assholes. It would be made publicly accessible and searchable, and would be very useful if you were thinking of buying a house or moving jobs. They'd still allow people on the registry to run for Congress, the Presidency and what-have-you, but they'd be forced to legibly display "Registered Asshole" on all their campaign literature.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                    Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    @89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                    For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                    Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

                                    Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?

                                    Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.

                                    Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                      For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                      Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

                                      Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?

                                      Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.

                                      Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

                                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                      @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                      Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

                                      If he wins isn't he essentially going to be a lame duck after about two years?

                                      Do we want to watch the pathetic indignity of him heading a campaign to have the two-term limit over-turned? Damn right we do!

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                        For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                        Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

                                        Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?

                                        Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.

                                        Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

                                        89th8 Offline
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                                        89th
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                                        @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                        @89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                        For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                        Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

                                        Ok, who is your Republican nominee? Besides Trump?

                                        Whoever it is, tell them to not even bother to campaign.

                                        Trump may lose the general. Anybody else will be annihilated. That Trump core support would say fuck you and go watch football or something else ...

                                        Maybe. But elections are elections. If hypothetically Trump is out of the picture by early 2024, and the decision is Biden vs Haley (my preferred) or DeSantis, I think they would fare well. Haley is refreshing... conservative without offensive, and DeSantis is strong but awkward... both poll well against Biden and imagine Biden in a debate these days... he cane barely shuffle his right leg when he's walking to the next ice cream shop. No joke, watch him walk.

                                        Personally, I would love Haley or Christie, but I know Christie is a (kitchen) cabinet guy at this point.

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                          Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          @89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                          For the sake of the Republican Party (such a good opportunity to bring in fresh energy, a unifier, perhaps one that can attract the power of the female or Latino votes that’ll have long term impacts on future elections), as well as for the sake of the country to not deal with another Trump vs Biden decision (and Trump election loss denial again…), I am very hopeful states find legal ways to keep Trump off the ballot. Figured it might be handed to them easily with criminal case outcomes, but at least CO is giving it the old college try!

                                          Did Trump inspire the insurrection? Obviously. Did he participate in it? Nope. Insurrection is different from his election denial and lying and desires to keep the results from being certified by Congress.

                                          Here’s a thought… Maybe it wasn’t an actual insurrection at all… Hell, most of the charges gild for January 6th are unlawful parading. Ooohhh, scary.

                                          The Brad

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