Chauvin shivved

[George K]

@Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

They released the name of the guy who stabbed him. Plot twist, didn’t sound like a black guy.

Former FBI informant too.

[Horace]

There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up. He also had potentially fatal levels of opiates and meth in his system.

Loury and McWhorter discussed it on Loury's podcast released today. McWhorter's opinion on the incident shifted. Recognition was given to the fact that you still can't utter out loud that maybe the cops didn't receive fair justice. Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

[Jolly]

They (everyone) knew Floyd was high as a kite, probably lethaly high, as soon as the post results were out. For the most part, it was ignored by Dems and the MSM.

Floyd was a convenient death.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up.

That seems to me a fact that would have worsened the case against Chauvin. The last thing you should do to someone who can’t breathe is put your weight on his neck.

[89th]

@Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up. He also had potentially fatal levels of opiates and meth in his system.

Not to pull the card, but haven't we (or I) been saying that this whole time? Watch the full video, he's sitting in the cop car going "i can't breathe" and also while standing, so it had nothing directly to do with Chauvin at least initially. It's a phrase cops hear ALL THE TIME to try and get away from being arrested or pinned down. He's moving his head and talking too... which usually includes breathing. And yes, he was resisting arrest, and full of drugs. Anyway.....deep breath 89th........not saying Chauvin behaved perfectly, but if you watch the video and come away with "he murdered him", it's really a leap of logic IMO. But then again, skin color.

[George K]

Draw your own conclusions:

https://www.scribd.com/document/464269559/George-Floyd-Autopsy-FULL-REPORT?irclickid=3m8UG-Wj5xyNTYg3vUU8nzrVUkFSg%3AyNyQqvQs0&irpid=27795&utm_source=impact&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Scribd_affiliate_pdm_acquisition_Sovrn Commerce&sharedid=1850603&irgwc=1#from_embed

[Jolly]

Speed, weed and Fentanyl.

Dude was high as a kite, with SS trait and cardiac problems.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

SS trait

I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that contributed to his demise.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Chauvin shivved:

@Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

SS trait

I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that contributed to his demise.

Possible.

While findings are consistent post-mortem for a person with SS trait, I have seen sickle cells on peripheral smears of patients with the trait. Add in oxygen deprivation for whatever reason, and I could see enough cells sickling to have some impact.

I think it's a really good question that was not explored sufficiently.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

@Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up.

That seems to me a fact that would have worsened the case against Chauvin. The last thing you should do to someone who can’t breathe is put your weight on his neck.

The point was that it was a meaningless noise coming out of his mouth. If you watch the first few minutes of the documentary you can get a taste for how incoherent he was.

[jon-nyc]

Google tells me respiratory depression or even arrest is a fentanyl overdose symptom. Very, very last person who’s neck you should put your weight on.

The more you guys post the more I’m starting to be convinced that the verdict was correct.

[Mik]

I did not see a cause of death on the autopsy, despite a plethora of information. So detailed.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

Google tells me respiratory depression or even arrest is a fentanyl overdose symptom. Very, very last person who’s neck you should put your weight on.

The more you guys post the more I’m starting to be convinced that the verdict was correct.

Yes you are performative with these things on occasion. Who can forget your disappointment that Jerry Jones didn't apologize for the gathering he attended as a teenager? I understand that there is less cognitive dissonance the more one can mold oneself into a true believer. Meanwhile, those of us without socially obligated belief systems to attend to, might have much more understanding of the cops' perspective, and might not be inclined to hold them to standards that make sense with perfect hindsight, and google searches.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

I have seen sickle cells on peripheral smears of patients with the trait. Add in oxygen deprivation for whatever reason,

This is a concern.

Using tourniquets during orthopedic surgery in sickle-cell trait patients has always been controversial, for fear that sickling can occur distal to the tourniquet, causing a cascade of sickling elsewhere on restoration of blood flow.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

Google tells me respiratory depression or even arrest is a fentanyl overdose symptom. Very, very last person who’s neck you should put your weight on.

The more you guys post the more I’m starting to be convinced that the verdict was correct.

Floyd was a pretty good-sized guy and high as a kite. While I don't approve of the neck hold, tell me exactly how you handle someone like that, when they're resisting arrest?

Life ain't the movies. Fighting down a crazy can and will get you hurt. Badly. During my career at St. Elsewhere, we had a security guard stabbed, another suffer a broken leg and ankle and a maintenance guy get his jaw broken while trying to help in a Code White.

[Horace]

Another part of the documentary shows that a shoulder kneel is actually in the police training manual. It gets less defensible at the neck.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:
Meanwhile, those of us without socially obligated belief systems to attend to, might have much more understanding of the cops' perspective, and might not be inclined to hold them to standards that make sense with perfect hindsight, and google searches.

I am socially obligated to believe that cops are trained to recognize drug overdose symptoms for extremely common street drugs and don't need to google.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

I am socially obligated to believe that cops are trained to recognize drug overdose symptoms for extremely common street drugs and don't need to google.

Bullshit.

Look at all the "fentanyl-exposed" cops who have hysterical reactions and end up in ERs after naloxone "treatment."

[jon-nyc]

I’m trying to relate your response to my post and am having trouble.

You’re saying that cops are not trained to recognize fentanyl OD? And your evidence is that they end up getting exposed themselves?

Seems to me that wouldn’t have to happen that many times before departments started warning them what the signs are.

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

@Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

@jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:
Meanwhile, those of us without socially obligated belief systems to attend to, might have much more understanding of the cops' perspective, and might not be inclined to hold them to standards that make sense with perfect hindsight, and google searches.

I am socially obligated to believe that cops are trained to recognize drug overdose symptoms for extremely common street drugs and don't need to google.

To be clear, in your belief system, cops who recognize drug induced altered states in people they are trying to subdue, should, in those moments, choose from a different set of options, depending on their diagnosis and the potential physical complications it implies? Even when the person is clearly not physically incapacitated. Interesting. You are among the millions of people with outsized empathy for one side of police interactions, and minimal empathy for the other side. It calls into question whether empathy as a general concept is really at play here.