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  • kluursK kluurs

    I feel for the two cops who had been on the force for all of a couple of weeks and were charged. They got 3 year+ terms for obeying their supervisor.

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    @kluurs said in Chauvin shivved:

    I feel for the two cops who had been on the force for all of a couple of weeks and were charged. They got 3 year+ terms for obeying their supervisor.

    Totally. And for me, even Chauvin's murder charge was too much. I could see involuntary manslaughter at the worst. But the ship has sailed on opinions or how history will remember the event.

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      I remember thinking the DA had overcharged the case and that they’d never be able to prove intent.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        @kluurs said in Chauvin shivved:

        I feel for the two cops who had been on the force for all of a couple of weeks and were charged. They got 3 year+ terms for obeying their supervisor.

        Totally. And for me, even Chauvin's murder charge was too much. I could see involuntary manslaughter at the worst. But the ship has sailed on opinions or how history will remember the event.

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        @89th said in Chauvin shivved:

        @kluurs said in Chauvin shivved:

        I feel for the two cops who had been on the force for all of a couple of weeks and were charged. They got 3 year+ terms for obeying their supervisor.

        Totally. And for me, even Chauvin's murder charge was too much. I could see involuntary manslaughter at the worst. But the ship has sailed on opinions or how history will remember the event.

        At least the irrational histrionic reaction was on the right side of history.

        Education is extremely important.

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          They released the name of the guy who stabbed him. Plot twist, didn’t sound like a black guy.

          Education is extremely important.

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            He might just be a dick. Kind of seems like one. Cops aren’t usually that popular in prison anyway regardless of the circumstances.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              No, he was affiliated with the Mexican cartels.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                They released the name of the guy who stabbed him. Plot twist, didn’t sound like a black guy.

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                @Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

                They released the name of the guy who stabbed him. Plot twist, didn’t sound like a black guy.

                Former FBI informant too.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up. He also had potentially fatal levels of opiates and meth in his system.

                  Loury and McWhorter discussed it on Loury's podcast released today. McWhorter's opinion on the incident shifted. Recognition was given to the fact that you still can't utter out loud that maybe the cops didn't receive fair justice. Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

                  https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    They (everyone) knew Floyd was high as a kite, probably lethaly high, as soon as the post results were out. For the most part, it was ignored by Dems and the MSM.

                    Floyd was a convenient death.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up. He also had potentially fatal levels of opiates and meth in his system.

                      Loury and McWhorter discussed it on Loury's podcast released today. McWhorter's opinion on the incident shifted. Recognition was given to the fact that you still can't utter out loud that maybe the cops didn't receive fair justice. Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

                      https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

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                      @Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

                      There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up.

                      That seems to me a fact that would have worsened the case against Chauvin. The last thing you should do to someone who can’t breathe is put your weight on his neck.

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up. He also had potentially fatal levels of opiates and meth in his system.

                        Loury and McWhorter discussed it on Loury's podcast released today. McWhorter's opinion on the incident shifted. Recognition was given to the fact that you still can't utter out loud that maybe the cops didn't receive fair justice. Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

                        https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/

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                        @Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

                        There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up. He also had potentially fatal levels of opiates and meth in his system.

                        Not to pull the card, but haven't we (or I) been saying that this whole time? Watch the full video, he's sitting in the cop car going "i can't breathe" and also while standing, so it had nothing directly to do with Chauvin at least initially. It's a phrase cops hear ALL THE TIME to try and get away from being arrested or pinned down. He's moving his head and talking too... which usually includes breathing. And yes, he was resisting arrest, and full of drugs. Anyway.....deep breath 89th........not saying Chauvin behaved perfectly, but if you watch the video and come away with "he murdered him", it's really a leap of logic IMO. But then again, skin color.

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                          Draw your own conclusions:

                          https://www.scribd.com/document/464269559/George-Floyd-Autopsy-FULL-REPORT?irclickid=3m8UG-Wj5xyNTYg3vUU8nzrVUkFSg%3AyNyQqvQs0&irpid=27795&utm_source=impact&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Scribd_affiliate_pdm_acquisition_Sovrn Commerce&sharedid=1850603&irgwc=1#from_embed

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Speed, weed and Fentanyl.

                            Dude was high as a kite, with SS trait and cardiac problems.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Speed, weed and Fentanyl.

                              Dude was high as a kite, with SS trait and cardiac problems.

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                              @Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

                              SS trait

                              I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that contributed to his demise.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

                                SS trait

                                I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that contributed to his demise.

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                                @George-K said in Chauvin shivved:

                                @Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

                                SS trait

                                I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that contributed to his demise.

                                Possible.

                                While findings are consistent post-mortem for a person with SS trait, I have seen sickle cells on peripheral smears of patients with the trait. Add in oxygen deprivation for whatever reason, and I could see enough cells sickling to have some impact.

                                I think it's a really good question that was not explored sufficiently.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

                                  There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up.

                                  That seems to me a fact that would have worsened the case against Chauvin. The last thing you should do to someone who can’t breathe is put your weight on his neck.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

                                  @Horace said in Chauvin shivved:

                                  There is a documentary just released. Among the revelations is that Floyd had been saying he "couldn't breathe" even while he was standing up.

                                  That seems to me a fact that would have worsened the case against Chauvin. The last thing you should do to someone who can’t breathe is put your weight on his neck.

                                  The point was that it was a meaningless noise coming out of his mouth. If you watch the first few minutes of the documentary you can get a taste for how incoherent he was.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Google tells me respiratory depression or even arrest is a fentanyl overdose symptom. Very, very last person who’s neck you should put your weight on.

                                    The more you guys post the more I’m starting to be convinced that the verdict was correct.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      I did not see a cause of death on the autopsy, despite a plethora of information. So detailed.

                                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        Google tells me respiratory depression or even arrest is a fentanyl overdose symptom. Very, very last person who’s neck you should put your weight on.

                                        The more you guys post the more I’m starting to be convinced that the verdict was correct.

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                                        Horace
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Chauvin shivved:

                                        Google tells me respiratory depression or even arrest is a fentanyl overdose symptom. Very, very last person who’s neck you should put your weight on.

                                        The more you guys post the more I’m starting to be convinced that the verdict was correct.

                                        Yes you are performative with these things on occasion. Who can forget your disappointment that Jerry Jones didn't apologize for the gathering he attended as a teenager? I understand that there is less cognitive dissonance the more one can mold oneself into a true believer. Meanwhile, those of us without socially obligated belief systems to attend to, might have much more understanding of the cops' perspective, and might not be inclined to hold them to standards that make sense with perfect hindsight, and google searches.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @George-K said in Chauvin shivved:

                                          @Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

                                          SS trait

                                          I wasn't aware of that. I wonder if that contributed to his demise.

                                          Possible.

                                          While findings are consistent post-mortem for a person with SS trait, I have seen sickle cells on peripheral smears of patients with the trait. Add in oxygen deprivation for whatever reason, and I could see enough cells sickling to have some impact.

                                          I think it's a really good question that was not explored sufficiently.

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                                          @Jolly said in Chauvin shivved:

                                          I have seen sickle cells on peripheral smears of patients with the trait. Add in oxygen deprivation for whatever reason,

                                          This is a concern.

                                          Using tourniquets during orthopedic surgery in sickle-cell trait patients has always been controversial, for fear that sickling can occur distal to the tourniquet, causing a cascade of sickling elsewhere on restoration of blood flow.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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