The digital tip jar
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
You then proceeded to complain about a $20 tip for a $200 moving charge.
I don't remember the exact conversation, but we paid a lot more than a $20 tip to our movers. More like 10-15 times that much.
And to be honest, I don't think that's reasonable. I'd have much rather had it baked into the price. Apart from anything else, there's the uncertainty of how much is reasonable.
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 12:41 last edited by Aqua Letifer@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 12:47 last edited by
I bet he likes cold beer better by now.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 17:29 last edited by
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
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I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 17:33 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 18:13 last edited by Doctor Phibes@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
You wouldn't be so dismissive of my opinion if you'd ever had to make your living using the metric system.
Are you saying that I wasted my entire life using Celsius, refusing to bow to the inevitability of the frankly arcane Fahrenheit system?
I'll tell you this, American weather forecasters are not particularly well thought of when it comes to temperature measurement!
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@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
You wouldn't be so dismissive of my opinion if you'd ever had to make your living using the metric system.
Are you saying that I wasted my entire life using Celsius, refusing to bow to the inevitability of the frankly arcane Fahrenheit system?
I'll tell you this, American weather forecasters are not particularly well thought of when it comes to temperature measurement!
wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 18:37 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
You wouldn't be so dismissive of my opinion if you'd ever had to make your living using the metric system.
Ahem...I did. I never gave someone a quart of fluids or prescribed a grain of oral medication.
Even when I was an intern, I would write, "Pt. may have spirits fermenti (vodka) 30 ml po at hs, prn. MR x 2."
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wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 18:51 last edited by
Yup. Medicine is entirely metric.
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wrote on 25 Sept 2023, 19:08 last edited by
I used the metric system when measuring… ahhh certain things…. Made me feel better about myself…
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 07:21 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 11:19 last edited by@Klaus said in The digital tip jar:
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
I do kind of understand Aqua's point. It is rather rude for immigrants such as myself to point out things we don't really like about our new country.
However, from my own experience when getting together with groups of immigrants in more than country, including England, pretty much every single immigrant to any country does it
Generally, it's in a light-hearted manner, which was my initial intent with this particular topic. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about tipping, and I don't suppose that TG does, either.
Clearly it's a hot-button for Aqua, and I'll shut up about it now.
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@Klaus said in The digital tip jar:
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
I do kind of understand Aqua's point. It is rather rude for immigrants such as myself to point out things we don't really like about our new country.
However, from my own experience when getting together with groups of immigrants in more than country, including England, pretty much every single immigrant to any country does it
Generally, it's in a light-hearted manner, which was my initial intent with this particular topic. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about tipping, and I don't suppose that TG does, either.
Clearly it's a hot-button for Aqua, and I'll shut up about it now.
wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 12:01 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Klaus said in The digital tip jar:
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
I do kind of understand Aqua's point. It is rather rude for immigrants such as myself to point out things we don't really like about our new country.
However, from my own experience when getting together with groups of immigrants in more than country, including England, pretty much every single immigrant to any country does it
Well, yeah. Did it myself and I think that's only natural.
Waaaaay back, this discussion didn't start out that way. I explained very clearly why the tipping model works here, based on 10 years of my life relying on it.
What's annoying is hearing "no it isn't, you're quite wrong about that!" from someone who doesn't even live here, and "economically it'd be better for everybody!" from someone who has to ask you how that economy works.
It's ignorant.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 12:25 last edited by
Here’s something economic that I think works better in Europe than here… I love that the VAT and taxes are built into the price… If the tag says €20, then I pay €20, not €21.20.
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Here’s something economic that I think works better in Europe than here… I love that the VAT and taxes are built into the price… If the tag says €20, then I pay €20, not €21.20.
wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 12:51 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
Here’s something economic that I think works better in Europe than here… I love that the VAT and taxes are built into the price… If the tag says €20, then I pay €20, not €21.20.
QFT!
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wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 13:39 last edited by
Oh absolutely. I would be absolutely fine with Congress making that law. The price you see is the price you pay, period.
And the tipping model works, it has just been vastly expanded in the last few years. Unfortunately I think it hurts traditionally tipped jobs (food delivery, sit-down restaurant, bar, etc) as folks are pushing back on the tipping culture every business has seemed to embrace.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 13:41 last edited by Doctor Phibes
Another thing they should change - Americans should drive on the left hand side of the road, as God and nature intended.
Obviously, this would be a very difficult thing to accomplish overnight. It might be better to do it only for some States and see how well it worked. Or maybe just by implementing it at the weekend for a trial period.
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Oh absolutely. I would be absolutely fine with Congress making that law. The price you see is the price you pay, period.
And the tipping model works, it has just been vastly expanded in the last few years. Unfortunately I think it hurts traditionally tipped jobs (food delivery, sit-down restaurant, bar, etc) as folks are pushing back on the tipping culture every business has seemed to embrace.
wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 13:42 last edited by@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Oh absolutely. I would be absolutely fine with Congress making that law. The price you see is the price you pay, period.
The problem is that sales taxes in various locations differ. Hell, even in Illinois, it differs from county to county.
Not gonna be able to legislate that in Congress.
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Another thing they should change - Americans should drive on the left hand side of the road, as God and nature intended.
Obviously, this would be a very difficult thing to accomplish overnight. It might be better to do it only for some States and see how well it worked. Or maybe just by implementing it at the weekend for a trial period.
wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 13:44 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
Another thing they should change - Americans should drive on the left hand side of the road, as God and nature intended.
Sez the guy who insists that the Imperial system is outdated and a relic.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 13:57 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I'd be fascinated to see a scientific explanation for why driving on the right hand side is better, other than "We really want to be like the French".
Because Fahrenheit vs. Celsius and inches vs. centimeters is really easy to justify.
Those of us who continue to carry a sword to work, would argue that there benefits to driving on the left.
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wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 14:00 last edited by
They did a study awhile back on left vs right drive bicycles. Basically it's a wash for all but very specific applications, in which case left drive is almost always better.
And yet...
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wrote on 26 Sept 2023, 14:04 last edited by
"Obviously, driving on the right is better, as you get more visibility due to the drivers seat being on the left".
Around here, I believe there is a move towards common sense. Leastways, a significant number of people seem to be transitioning to driving in the middle of the road, which can only be a positive move in the right direction.