The digital tip jar
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@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
If it ain't broke it don't need fixing. It may not be what other places do, but it's what we do.
But I think it is getting broken a bit and I think that is why there is increasing "push-back" and not just from me. LOL
The expected % tip keeps increasing. Why? Why was 15% okay just a few years ago and now it is closer to 20%? It is not as if dinner prices have remained the same. They have increased so the $ amount of the tip (at the same %) has increased.
In 1922, Emily Post wrote, "You will not get good service unless you tip generously," and "the rule is ten per cent."
In 2008, an Esquire tipping guide stated "15 percent for good service is still the norm" at American restaurants.
According to a PayScale study, the median tip is now 19.5%
In recent years, some waiters and restaurants have suggested that 25% or even 30% is the proper gratuity level, and that a 20% tip, once considered generous, is just average today.
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
In 1922, Emily Post wrote, "You will not get good service unless you tip generously," and "the rule is ten per cent."
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According to a PayScale study, the median tip is now 19.5%The tipping percentage has nearly doubled from 10% in 1922 to 19.5% in 2023. Has today's service also improved from 1922 to twice as good as 1922?
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TG, it's an interesting question.
Money doesn't mean as much as it once did. That's my thought, after losing so much sleep over this topic for so many days.
Thanks, inflation!Oh well, still an interesting question. Will be interesting to see what else folks come up with.
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I wonder if the base salary of tipped employees has fallen as a result of the increase expectation for a tip. Hopefully somebody less lazy than me can look that up.
I was only joking
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
So how much do you tip, big spender?
If in the US in a place that has tipping, 15-20%
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
So how much do you tip, big spender?
If in the US in a place that has tipping, 15-20%
That's what I thought.
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I wonder if the base salary of tipped employees has fallen as a result of the increase expectation for a tip. Hopefully somebody less lazy than me can look that up.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I wonder if the base salary of tipped employees has fallen as a result of the increase expectation for a tip. Hopefully somebody less lazy than me can look that up.
Credit cards.
Credit cards screwed them. It's taxed. That's partly why there's been a percentage increase.
That and the stupid freaking software for credit card readers requesting a tip by default. You do know, right, that just because that machine asks for a tip, it doesn't mean that money goes to the person who rang you up?
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Putting on my Ax hat. 555
"Do you mean that many waiters are committing tax fraud by not accurately reporting their earnings?"
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I actually recently read a story about the tip inflation and found it interesting.
Apparently tipping was set at 10% for generations. It was during the inflation in the 70s when WaPo ran a story saying that tipping needed to go up to 15% to make up for inflation (forgetting that inflation meant the bills were higher, therefore tips were higher). Over the next 5 years tipping went up. Just recently, WaPo’s food critic stated that you must tip 20% no matter what! Because inflation!
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Putting on my Ax hat. 555
"Do you mean that many waiters are committing tax fraud by not accurately reporting their earnings?"
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
Putting on my Ax hat. 555
"Do you mean that many waiters are committing tax fraud by not accurately reporting their earnings?"
You mean you don't know? I thought you were the fucking expert here?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
You then proceeded to complain about a $20 tip for a $200 moving charge.
I don't remember the exact conversation, but we paid a lot more than a $20 tip to our movers. More like 10-15 times that much.
And to be honest, I don't think that's reasonable. I'd have much rather had it baked into the price. Apart from anything else, there's the uncertainty of how much is reasonable.
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
Please love yourself.
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I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
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I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
You wouldn't be so dismissive of my opinion if you'd ever had to make your living using the metric system.
Are you saying that I wasted my entire life using Celsius, refusing to bow to the inevitability of the frankly arcane Fahrenheit system?
I'll tell you this, American weather forecasters are not particularly well thought of when it comes to temperature measurement!
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@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
I think the imperial system is stupid too but I’m too polite to say anything
That's our friend @Doctor-Phibes ! He's got modesty by the gallon.
You wouldn't be so dismissive of my opinion if you'd ever had to make your living using the metric system.
Are you saying that I wasted my entire life using Celsius, refusing to bow to the inevitability of the frankly arcane Fahrenheit system?
I'll tell you this, American weather forecasters are not particularly well thought of when it comes to temperature measurement!
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
You wouldn't be so dismissive of my opinion if you'd ever had to make your living using the metric system.
Ahem...I did. I never gave someone a quart of fluids or prescribed a grain of oral medication.
Even when I was an intern, I would write, "Pt. may have spirits fermenti (vodka) 30 ml po at hs, prn. MR x 2."
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I used the metric system when measuring… ahhh certain things…. Made me feel better about myself…
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
And it's not that you take it seriously that I find funny, it's that you get so freaking mad with people who disagree with you.
I said it before in this thread and I'll explain it again: Disagree all you want about tipping. There are broken aspects to it that are certainly problematic.
The difference is, I'm not suggesting England has it wrong by not following a tipping model. But you think you know better than the country you moved to.
You're so quick to criticize silly Americans for expecting the world to conform to their sensibilities and here you are doing exactly the same thing.
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
@Klaus said in The digital tip jar:
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
I do kind of understand Aqua's point. It is rather rude for immigrants such as myself to point out things we don't really like about our new country.
However, from my own experience when getting together with groups of immigrants in more than country, including England, pretty much every single immigrant to any country does it
Generally, it's in a light-hearted manner, which was my initial intent with this particular topic. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about tipping, and I don't suppose that TG does, either.
Clearly it's a hot-button for Aqua, and I'll shut up about it now.
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@Klaus said in The digital tip jar:
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
I do kind of understand Aqua's point. It is rather rude for immigrants such as myself to point out things we don't really like about our new country.
However, from my own experience when getting together with groups of immigrants in more than country, including England, pretty much every single immigrant to any country does it
Generally, it's in a light-hearted manner, which was my initial intent with this particular topic. I honestly don't feel particularly strongly about tipping, and I don't suppose that TG does, either.
Clearly it's a hot-button for Aqua, and I'll shut up about it now.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Klaus said in The digital tip jar:
When we travel around the world, we all like or dislike aspects of how other countries do things, or wish they would do things we find annoying differently.
It would be completely OK if you would suggest that England has it wrong by not following a tipping model.
And it is completely OK for TG to suggest that the US has it wrong by emphasizing tipping so much.
I do kind of understand Aqua's point. It is rather rude for immigrants such as myself to point out things we don't really like about our new country.
However, from my own experience when getting together with groups of immigrants in more than country, including England, pretty much every single immigrant to any country does it
Well, yeah. Did it myself and I think that's only natural.
Waaaaay back, this discussion didn't start out that way. I explained very clearly why the tipping model works here, based on 10 years of my life relying on it.
What's annoying is hearing "no it isn't, you're quite wrong about that!" from someone who doesn't even live here, and "economically it'd be better for everybody!" from someone who has to ask you how that economy works.
It's ignorant.
