Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6
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@Jolly Yeah but Trump knew what he was saying wasn't accurate, so the very first question in your reply has the answer. He was spreading lies and every possible conspiracy theory to get his base spun up and inspired many people to commit crimes that they're now going to prison for. SAD!
I have no problem with antifa or BLM or other rioters getting punished for their crimes, too.
And if Trump wasn't The Swamp, then he was at least The Quicksand, at least in the eyes of so many of his associates who are now paying the price for following Trump.
@89th said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
@Jolly Yeah but Trump knew what he was saying wasn't accurate, so the very first question in your reply has the answer.
That's the problem. You have to prove that in court. It may be true that he knew, but proving mens rea is a steep climb.
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You're good with the weaponization of the Justice Department? You're good with punitive sentences worthy of a Soviet kangaroo court? You hate people that much?
@Jolly said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
You're good with the weaponization of the Justice Department? You're good with punitive sentences worthy of a Soviet kangaroo court? You hate people that much?
What I don't understand is that you think that somehow the hundreds (maybe thousands) of people involved with the case, including people appointed by Presidents Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, jury selected per US protocol, and not only in this case but the hundreds of others, that somehow.....
all these people involved conspired to find these people guilty and send them to jail. And yet you say that the majority of the people in the US support President Trump. (And therefore it would seem that they would also support what happened on Jan 6).
Yet, somehow these people involved are found guilty and sentenced to jail.
What is the English saying - if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, well, it is probably a duck!!
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@Jolly said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
You're good with the weaponization of the Justice Department? You're good with punitive sentences worthy of a Soviet kangaroo court? You hate people that much?
What I don't understand is that you think that somehow the hundreds (maybe thousands) of people involved with the case, including people appointed by Presidents Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, jury selected per US protocol, and not only in this case but the hundreds of others, that somehow.....
all these people involved conspired to find these people guilty and send them to jail. And yet you say that the majority of the people in the US support President Trump. (And therefore it would seem that they would also support what happened on Jan 6).
Yet, somehow these people involved are found guilty and sentenced to jail.
What is the English saying - if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, well, it is probably a duck!!
@taiwan_girl said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
@Jolly said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
You're good with the weaponization of the Justice Department? You're good with punitive sentences worthy of a Soviet kangaroo court? You hate people that much?
What I don't understand is that you think that somehow the hundreds (maybe thousands) of people involved with the case, including people appointed by Presidents Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, jury selected per US protocol, and not only in this case but the hundreds of others, that somehow.....
all these people involved conspired to find these people guilty and send them to jail. And yet you say that the majority of the people in the US support President Trump. (And therefore it would seem that they would also support what happened on Jan 6).
Yet, somehow these people involved are found guilty and sentenced to jail.
What is the English saying - if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, well, it is probably a duck!!
You may understand numbers, but I don't think you understand human nature and the culture of the Beltway. I've written extensively on why I think the arrests, incarcerations and sentences are far beyond what is normally experienced in the American judicial system.
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Regardless of the ad hominems thrown at the judge, or whether they are misplaced, it will be nice to see a demonstration that the prosecution and sentence is in line with similar prosecutions and sentences through recent history.
If the sentence is out of line, that's an interesting thing regardless of whether the judge fits certain tribal characteristics. And even as far as the tribal characteristics in question go, membership in the federalist society and an appointment by the Trump administration is not dispositive of being a never-Trumper.
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The Swamp has no party.
Do not challenge the power of The Swamp.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
The Swamp has no party.
What is the swamp. Everybody seems to refer to it, but nobody really knows or can tell me what it actually is.
Someone who has been in Washington DC for a number of years?
Someone who has been a politician for a number of years?
etc?I dont understand.
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It's not a new term.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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What we really need to do is pilot a Barge through the Swamp.
I was only joking
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Enrique Torres is a helluva name for the leader of a White Supremacist group…
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@Mik said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
Not sure I saw anything that day worth 22 years.
Well Torres wasn’t even there that day.. He was in jail for defacing a BLM monument… Do it wasn’t about what he did, it’s about what he said he wanted to do…
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@Mik said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
Not sure I saw anything that day worth 22 years.
Well Torres wasn’t even there that day.. He was in jail for defacing a BLM monument… Do it wasn’t about what he did, it’s about what he said he wanted to do…
@LuFins-Dad said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
@Mik said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
Not sure I saw anything that day worth 22 years.
Well Torres wasn’t even there that day.. He was in jail for defacing a BLM monument… Do it wasn’t about what he did, it’s about what he said he wanted to do…
Seditious conspiracy is an affirmative act. You didn't do it, I didn't do it, he did it.
By the way his sentence was light according to the guidelines.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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What we really need to do is pilot a Barge through the Swamp.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Proud Boy leader sentence to 22 years for Jan 6:
What we really need to do is pilot a Barge through the Swamp.
Say that would be a novel idea.
