Black Lives Don't Matter
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@Mik said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
It's totally fair and indicative of the dishonesty in the conversation as it stands today.
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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One kid? Cats, that one kid is representative of thousands of shootings. Black on black crime kills an unbelievable amount of people and is actually the leading driver of police profiling.
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@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
Come on, Jolly; that's hardly fair.
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Fair? I dunno. Salient? Beyond doubt.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
I was only joking
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@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
Come on, Jolly; that's hardly fair.
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Fair? I dunno. Salient? Beyond doubt.
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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No, his implication was that if black lives mattered to the black community then they would focus on this as opposed to incidents that affect very few.
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Is that a valid reason to claim that black lives don't matter? Because a segment of the black population is focusing elsewhere? Even wrongly?
@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
Is that a valid reason to claim that black lives don't matter? Because a segment of the black population is focusing elsewhere? Even wrongly?
He isn't claiming the black lives don't matter. He's saying these "protesters" care more about tearing things down than they care about black lives.
He's right.
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@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Jesus.
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@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Jesus.
@Larry said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Jesus.
And Mary and Joseph in Tinseltown...
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A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
It's pretty bad when the joke guy's making the most sense!
BLM is right about the unions and the "independent" review boards. That shit needs to be fixed immediately.
But like Jolly's saying, they cherry-pick their outrage. It's a very specific kind of crime they find atrocious; about others, they're always strangely silent.
Please love yourself.
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I like to self identify as the sort of person who can prioritize issues and comment on the ones I find most important without needing to dig too deep into the stack of issues under it to establish that I am aware of them too. Especially when their solutions are not at odds with the stuff I comment on anyway.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
It's pretty bad when the joke guy's making the most sense!
BLM is right about the unions and the "independent" review boards. That shit needs to be fixed immediately.
But like Jolly's saying, they cherry-pick their outrage. It's a very specific kind of crime they find atrocious; about others, they're always strangely silent.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
BLM is right about the unions and the "independent" review boards. That shit needs to be fixed immediately.
Is the sample size large enough to make that kind of general statement?
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@Mik said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
It's totally fair and indicative of the dishonesty in the conversation as it stands today.
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/
@George-K said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
That was an interesting site.
So, of the 999 people shot and killed by police last year, 55 were unarmed.
Of the 55 unarmed, 45% were white and 25% were black.
Or more importantly, of all of the people shot and killed by police, 1.4% are unarmed black people, and 2.5% are unarmed white people.
Or even further, of all of the arrests last year, 0.00014% resulted in an unarmed black person being killed, and 0.00025% resulted in an unarmed white person being killed.
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@George-K said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
That was an interesting site.
So, of the 999 people shot and killed by police last year, 55 were unarmed.
Of the 55 unarmed, 45% were white and 25% were black.
Or more importantly, of all of the people shot and killed by police, 1.4% are unarmed black people, and 2.5% are unarmed white people.
Or even further, of all of the arrests last year, 0.00014% resulted in an unarmed black person being killed, and 0.00025% resulted in an unarmed white person being killed.
@89th said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@George-K said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
That was an interesting site.
So, of the 999 people shot and killed by police last year, 55 were unarmed.
Of the 55 unarmed, 45% were white and 25% were black.
Or more importantly, of all of the people shot and killed by police, 1.4% are unarmed black people, and 2.5% are unarmed white people.
Or even further, of all of the arrests last year, 0.00014% resulted in an unarmed black person being killed, and 0.00025% resulted in an unarmed white person being killed.
How about that.
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What's even more coincidental, is you have a 0.00014% chance of being struck by lightning.
So black men BEING arrested, have the same chance of being shot and killed by police as they are being struck by lightning that year. Not to mention your odds go WAY up if you don't do something that risks being arrested.
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What's even more coincidental, is you have a 0.00014% chance of being struck by lightning.
So black men BEING arrested, have the same chance of being shot and killed by police as they are being struck by lightning that year. Not to mention your odds go WAY up if you don't do something that risks being arrested.
@89th said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
What's even more coincidental, is you have a 0.00014% chance of being struck by lightning.
So black men BEING arrested, have the same chance of being shot and killed by police as they are being struck by lightning that year. Not to mention your odds go WAY up if you don't do something that risks being arrested.George Floyd wasn't shot.
Erik Garner wasn't shot.
Jamel Floyd wasn't shot.You can't limit it to just shootings. Most cases of Police Brutality don't involve guns and don't even necessarily include deaths... Of course, they also mostly don't involve racism, either.
The Brad
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There are countless videos of innocent people being body slammed by the police.
It's not just about being killed, it's about a mindset.
Does anybody think what happened to this guy is justified? Does anybody think details would have gone public if there wasn't a camera?
