Black Lives Don't Matter
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 11:53 last edited by
Not really. If they did, the country and the black community would be focused on this:
Not stuff like this:
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 11:58 last edited by
Come on, Jolly; that's hardly fair.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 11:59 last edited by
It's totally fair and indicative of the dishonesty in the conversation as it stands today.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:02 last edited by
No, it isn't. Comparing a whole movement -- which comprises only a fraction of the black population -- to one kid's shooting death?
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:03 last edited by
@Mik said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
It's totally fair and indicative of the dishonesty in the conversation as it stands today.
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:05 last edited by
One kid? Cats, that one kid is representative of thousands of shootings. Black on black crime kills an unbelievable amount of people and is actually the leading driver of police profiling.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:10 last edited by
There's no reasoning with someone with TDS.
I stopped trying long ago. They just don't get it.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:12 last edited by
Is that a valid reason to claim that black lives don't matter? Because a segment of the black population is focusing elsewhere? Even wrongly?
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:14 last edited by Jolly
@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
Come on, Jolly; that's hardly fair.
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Fair? I dunno. Salient? Beyond doubt.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:26 last edited by Doctor Phibes
A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
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@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
Come on, Jolly; that's hardly fair.
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Fair? I dunno. Salient? Beyond doubt.
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:30 last edited by@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:33 last edited by
No, his implication was that if black lives mattered to the black community then they would focus on this as opposed to incidents that affect very few.
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Is that a valid reason to claim that black lives don't matter? Because a segment of the black population is focusing elsewhere? Even wrongly?
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:34 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
Is that a valid reason to claim that black lives don't matter? Because a segment of the black population is focusing elsewhere? Even wrongly?
He isn't claiming the black lives don't matter. He's saying these "protesters" care more about tearing things down than they care about black lives.
He's right.
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@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:34 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Jesus.
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@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Jesus.
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:39 last edited by@Larry said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Catseye3 said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@Jolly said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
The weekend this shooting occurred, there were 102 shootings in Chicago, mostly in black neighborhoods.
Your implication (from your opener) is that life matters less to blacks than it does to other races -- because some blacks are off gallivanting with knocking down statues. You make the leap from the elevated shooting rate by blacks over whites to concluding that life matters less for them. That might be true if you applied the experience of living white to the experience of living black. As it is, your conclusion is a cheap shot.
Jesus.
And Mary and Joseph in Tinseltown...
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A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 14:17 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
It's pretty bad when the joke guy's making the most sense!
BLM is right about the unions and the "independent" review boards. That shit needs to be fixed immediately.
But like Jolly's saying, they cherry-pick their outrage. It's a very specific kind of crime they find atrocious; about others, they're always strangely silent.
Please love yourself.
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wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 14:33 last edited by
I like to self identify as the sort of person who can prioritize issues and comment on the ones I find most important without needing to dig too deep into the stack of issues under it to establish that I am aware of them too. Especially when their solutions are not at odds with the stuff I comment on anyway.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
A little honesty from both sides would be good. Certain police forces clearly have a long history of covering up all kinds of stuff, and are really only getting caught now that cell phones are widely used, which has also basically forced the police to wear body-cams.
The gangsta culture is horrible, as is the lack of co-operation after a crime occurs.
It's pretty bad when the joke guy's making the most sense!
BLM is right about the unions and the "independent" review boards. That shit needs to be fixed immediately.
But like Jolly's saying, they cherry-pick their outrage. It's a very specific kind of crime they find atrocious; about others, they're always strangely silent.
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 15:19 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
BLM is right about the unions and the "independent" review boards. That shit needs to be fixed immediately.
Is the sample size large enough to make that kind of general statement?
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@Mik said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
It's totally fair and indicative of the dishonesty in the conversation as it stands today.
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 19:00 last edited by@George-K said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
That was an interesting site.
So, of the 999 people shot and killed by police last year, 55 were unarmed.
Of the 55 unarmed, 45% were white and 25% were black.
Or more importantly, of all of the people shot and killed by police, 1.4% are unarmed black people, and 2.5% are unarmed white people.
Or even further, of all of the arrests last year, 0.00014% resulted in an unarmed black person being killed, and 0.00025% resulted in an unarmed white person being killed.
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@George-K said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
That was an interesting site.
So, of the 999 people shot and killed by police last year, 55 were unarmed.
Of the 55 unarmed, 45% were white and 25% were black.
Or more importantly, of all of the people shot and killed by police, 1.4% are unarmed black people, and 2.5% are unarmed white people.
Or even further, of all of the arrests last year, 0.00014% resulted in an unarmed black person being killed, and 0.00025% resulted in an unarmed white person being killed.
wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 19:02 last edited by@89th said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
@George-K said in Black Lives Don't Matter:
You know how many unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019?
- That's right: thirteen.
That was an interesting site.
So, of the 999 people shot and killed by police last year, 55 were unarmed.
Of the 55 unarmed, 45% were white and 25% were black.
Or more importantly, of all of the people shot and killed by police, 1.4% are unarmed black people, and 2.5% are unarmed white people.
Or even further, of all of the arrests last year, 0.00014% resulted in an unarmed black person being killed, and 0.00025% resulted in an unarmed white person being killed.
How about that.
