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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #115

    George - when might they try to extubate him? Now that he’s awake and all.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      George - when might they try to extubate him? Now that he’s awake and all.

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      George K
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      #116

      @jon-nyc several criteria have to be met.

      Among them:

      • ability to maintain a reasonable SpO2 on a low FiO2 (probably about 0.4)
      • ability to maintain spontaneous respiration with endotracheal tube in place for a predetermined length of time - in my day, it was 24 hours - with no ventilatory support
      • ability to protect one's airway. Given that he's conscious, I doubt that this is an issue
      • assurance that his lungs have recovered from whatever insult they may have sustained (related to #1)
      • stable, or improving chest x-ray
      • assure adequate strength to maintain #2 and #3 (probably not an issue since his illness has been so acute and short-lived)

      #1 and #2 are the most important.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        wrote on last edited by
        #117

        Thanks.

        So it could hopefully be soon I would think.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Thanks.

          So it could hopefully be soon I would think.

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          George K
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          #118

          @jon-nyc those were, more or less, the criteria back in the dark ages when I was a fellow on the ICU service (respiratory). I imagine the criteria haven't changed all that much.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • Catseye3C Offline
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            Catseye3
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            #119

            Do we even know if he's staying conscious?

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              #120

              From CNN: "Here are the major takeaways from today's news conference at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, where Hamlin has been treated since he collapsed Monday night:

              Hamlin has made "substantial progress": The player is demonstrating signs of "good neurologic recovery as well as overall clinical improvement," UC Health Dr. William Knight told reporters.

              It's still a long road to recovery: Doctors emphasized multiple times that Hamlin has a "ways to go." He'll need to start breathing on his own, and taking him off a ventilator will be a cautious, gradual process. UC Health Dr. Timothy Pritts said it's too soon to say for sure whether he'll make a full recovery.

              Hamlin is interacting with family: Loved ones at Hamlin's bedside have been able to hold his hand and communicate with him through written messages, though the player isn't speaking. Doctors said he even asked if the Bills had won the game.

              The cause of his cardiac arrest is not yet clear: The doctors said tests are still underway to determine what caused the medical emergency and that there are no "definitive answers" at this time.

              An outpouring of support: Doctors thanked community members for holding vigils, sending food to the hospital and lighting Cincinnati in the Bills' red and blue.

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                #121

                https://www.wcpo.com/sports/football/bengals/ap-bengals-bills-will-not-be-played-heres-what-that-means-for-the-playoffs?fbclid=IwAR29cNJbELsWQ2lWzCOzCUlrI3AqSO0L4_LTdbNGiQtWM3CCNTbnECg5WrA

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  https://www.wcpo.com/sports/football/bengals/ap-bengals-bills-will-not-be-played-heres-what-that-means-for-the-playoffs?fbclid=IwAR29cNJbELsWQ2lWzCOzCUlrI3AqSO0L4_LTdbNGiQtWM3CCNTbnECg5WrA

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                  @Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                  https://www.wcpo.com/sports/football/bengals/ap-bengals-bills-will-not-be-played-heres-what-that-means-for-the-playoffs?fbclid=IwAR29cNJbELsWQ2lWzCOzCUlrI3AqSO0L4_LTdbNGiQtWM3CCNTbnECg5WrA

                  Just give both the Bengals and Buffalo W’s for last week. That way all of the other teams have to play the week straight up, the way they should. The only team it screws is the Ravens, and who really cares about that?

                  If the Bengals and Bills win this week and KC loses, give the Bengals the #1 Seed by virtue of head to head against KC and they had the lead and homefield advantage in the game against Buffalo…

                  The Brad

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #123

                    Screwing the Ravens is a great idea.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #124

                      So here’s the proposal

                      It essentially screws everyone but the Chiefs and Patriots.

                      If I made the decisions for the Bengals, I would take this week as my bye. There’s a small chance that you will meet the Ravens, and it would be better to be healthy and rested…

                      The Brad

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        #125

                        Who in the NFL is discussing this? Remember, they're "only concerned with the health of Hamlin."

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          Who in the NFL is discussing this? Remember, they're "only concerned with the health of Hamlin."

                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #126

                          @89th said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                          Who in the NFL is discussing this? Remember, they're "only concerned with the health of Hamlin."

                          Competition committee voted last night. Owners today. The league and NFLPA have all been in on the conversation.

                          The Brad

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                            Horace
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                            My utmost respect for them to fight through their existential despair at watching this young man nearly lose his life. Thinking about money and their livelihoods at a time like that must have been all but impossible. I know I wouldn't have been able to do it. I would still be in a fetal position if I were them, maybe in need of an IV feeding tube. Because I'm a good person.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #128

                              Extubated and talking:

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                Extubated and talking:

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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #129

                                @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                Extubated and talking:

                                Good news. He is one lucky human.

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                                • Catseye3C Offline
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                                  Catseye3
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #130

                                  Good, good news.

                                  It seems like the field responders and the hospital people together pulled off a near miracle with this young man.

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    Jolly
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                                    #131

                                    I promise you, he will want to play again.

                                    And the NFL would be nuts to let him even try.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      I promise you, he will want to play again.

                                      And the NFL would be nuts to let him even try.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                      And the NFL would be nuts to let him even try.

                                      I'm curious why you say that. Not arguing, just curious.

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #133

                                        Liability.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          @Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                          And the NFL would be nuts to let him even try.

                                          I'm curious why you say that. Not arguing, just curious.

                                          HoraceH Offline
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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          @Catseye3 said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                          @Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                          And the NFL would be nuts to let him even try.

                                          I'm curious why you say that. Not arguing, just curious.

                                          Because health issues and how much the NFL does about them, are an existential risk to the business.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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