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  • MikM Offline
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    Demar Hamlin tackled Tee Higgins, got up and went back down. The paramedics have been working on him for 15 minutes, including CPR. This is bad.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Scary. What might it be, when you get right up, then collapse?

        Education is extremely important.

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.

          Not sure how the broadcast should handle this.

          The Brad

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            Copper
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            This is getting spooky

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              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.

                Not sure how the broadcast should handle this.

                George KG Offline
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                @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.

                If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

                Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

                EDIT:

                We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                  Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.

                  If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

                  Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

                  EDIT:

                  We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

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                  @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                  Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.
                  

                  If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

                  Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

                  EDIT:

                  We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

                  The Brad

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
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                    I've heard of that happening in hockey when someone takes a puck to the heart.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      The game is no longer important. Kudos to the coaches for pulling their teams off of the field.

                      If the young man is not okay, Goodell would be a soulless monster to make the teams finish the game.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        #11

                        He would do well to remember the reaction when Marge Schott wanted the game to continue after the umpire dropped dead on the field. It wasn’t pleasant.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • George KG George K

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                          Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.

                          If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

                          Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

                          EDIT:

                          We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

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                          @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                          Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.
                          

                          If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

                          Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

                          EDIT:

                          We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

                          But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

                          The Brad

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                            commotio cordis

                            I've never heard that term, though I'm familiar with the physiology, and that's why I suggested it. It's an interesting phenomenon. There is a portion of the cardiac cycle, which is usually pretty robust, where an ill-timed beat can set off a cycle of arrhythmia - VT or VF. This ill-timed beat can occur without trauma - it can be "just one of those things" where a muscle fiber gets excited and decides to fire. While the rest of the heart is in the early stages of recovering its electrical cycle, this stimulus comes in at exactly the wrong tom and sets off a vicious cycle.

                            This "R on T" phenomenon (referring to the waves of an EKG) is something that should be treated with anti-arrhythmic drugs to prevent it from degenerating into something lethal.

                            An external stimulus, such as this, can cause such a premature beat, and the rest is history.

                            Commotio_Cordis_Risk_Zone.jpg

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

                            The interesting thing is that this can occur more frequently with heart rates that are rapid (like with exercise).

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                              Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.
                              

                              If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

                              Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

                              EDIT:

                              We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

                              But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                              But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

                              No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.

                              They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                I believe they did intubate him.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                    But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

                                    No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.

                                    They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.

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                                    @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                    But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

                                    No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.

                                    They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.

                                    NFL teams have docs in the stadium. This is interesting...

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                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.

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                                      @Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                      Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.

                                      The play looked ok to me, I didn't see anything like a dirty hit.

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                                        They're picking up equipment...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          The league just needs to cancel the damn game.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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