Twitter suspends journalists...
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@Horace I guess if we decide to arbitrarily and capriciously determine which of his tweets are rules and which are musings then we can tell whatever story we want.
I will concede that midway through this he did tweet about it taking time to sort out, which he did to stem the exodus of paid advertisers.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
@Horace I guess if we decide to arbitrarily and capriciously determine which of his tweets are rules and which are musings then we can tell whatever story we want.
I will concede that midway through this he did tweet about it taking time to sort out, which he did to stem the exodus of paid advertisers.
Until he makes decisions that are clearly politically biased, he is safely distanced from the prior administration’s worst moderation practices. Nobody cares if he rethinks issues around doxxing until it becomes tribally valent. At this time it doesn’t appear to be.
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It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.
You were warned.
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It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.
Somebody wrote that Twitter isn't an engineering problem, it's more of a political problem, even if it's not overtly partisan politics it's working with social issues. I'm not convinced that Elon is very good at handling those personal feeling type issues in the way that he has used engineering to solve some other really complex technical problems with his other companies. He's not very smooth when it comes to that stuff.
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It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.
Who else is out there trying to fix a social media platform from a user perspective?
I'm not saying he's successful or that he even cares about the outcome. But compared to who's out there fixing Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube, well, c'mon.
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I’m thinking the Musk move on the airplane guy is having a Streisand effect, rather ironically like Twitter’s 36hr banning of the laptop story did 2 years ago.
Now the guy’s trending on FB, which has 10x the user base of Twitter.
You were warned.
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I’m getting support for my take in unlikely places.
Or maybe they’re not unlikely, I just misjudged how well they’d adhere to principles.
Is Musk's policy unclear at this point? If so then I'm sure we all agree that he should be clear about it.
It seems nobody is, in principle, against moderating doxxers. So it is unclear which principle you doubted people would adhere to. There are several facile principles in play, such as "clarity in policy is good" and "changing policy for no good reason is bad". I am sure Musk could be doing better with both of those principles, but let's not pretend he is in the league of institutionalized biased or arbitrary moderating as the previous regime, which was your point. A point which neither Weiss nor Rufo are actually supporting.
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Well gee, I thought I was criticizing it as being arbitrary (a word Rufo also used) and capricious (seconded by Weiss) and ever-changing. But I guess I made a mistake in making a clarification post without first asking you what I think.
I’ll do better.
You were warned.
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I’m thinking the Musk move on the airplane guy is having a Streisand effect, rather ironically like Twitter’s 36hr banning of the laptop story did 2 years ago.
Now the guy’s trending on FB, which has 10x the user base of Twitter.
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Well gee, I thought I was criticizing it as being arbitrary (a word Rufo also used) and capricious (seconded by Weiss) and ever-changing. But I guess I made a mistake in making a clarification post without first asking you what I think.
I’ll do better.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
Well gee, I thought I was criticizing it as being arbitrary (a word Rufo also used) and capricious (seconded by Weiss) and ever-changing. But I guess I made a mistake in making a clarification post without first asking you what I think.
I’ll do better.
“New boss same as the old boss” is your point I am referring to.
Weiss and Rufo are saying “do better”, which of course we can all agree with.
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
Well gee, I thought I was criticizing it as being arbitrary (a word Rufo also used) and capricious (seconded by Weiss) and ever-changing. But I guess I made a mistake in making a clarification post without first asking you what I think.
I’ll do better.
“New boss same as the old boss” is your point I am referring to.
Weiss and Rufo are saying “do better”, which of course we can all agree with.
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Right and I clarified that to mean, and I quote, “arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing”.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
Right and I clarified that to mean, and I quote, “arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing”.
In a binary judgement where moderation processes do or do not contain some amount of arbitrariness or capriciousness, I agree that the previous regime and the current regime are equal. That will remain a trivially true point forever regardless of what Musk does.
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That’s weak.
Imagine someone defending the ancien regime by saying “everybody’s biases affect their decision making so on that simple binary, new Twitter and old Twitter are the same.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
That’s weak.
Imagine someone defending the ancien regime by saying “everybody’s biases affect their decision making so on that simple binary, new Twitter and old Twitter are the same.
I’m not sure you understood my point. I am saying that there are facile and trivially true ways to claim equality between the old and new regime. I am claiming that your equality is such a facile and trivial one. There are others, one of which you just presented. It argues against nothing I said.
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I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
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I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
@Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
I should note that I do disagree with the label of arbitrary in this case, as a defined policy with rationale clearly laid out is not arbitrary by definition. Capricious sure, inasmuch as it’s a change.
