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  • HoraceH Horace

    I’ve spent decades trying to understand what project managers actually contribute. I suspect Musk has pondered that question as well.

    CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    #592

    @jon-nyc said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

    Seems like he’s trying to create a startup culture

    I thought the same thing

    @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

    I’ve spent decades trying to understand what project managers actually contribute. I suspect Musk has pondered that question as well.

    I always told my managers that I wanted 2 things from them.
    A raise
    Help finding my next position
    That's it, they can keep the management team-building, social nonsense

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Seems like he’s trying to create a startup culture or change-the-world culture his other ventures have.

      Probably tougher to pull off at Twitter since it doesn’t fit into either category.

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      Horace
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      #593

      @jon-nyc said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

      Seems like he’s trying to create a startup culture or change-the-world culture his other ventures have.

      Probably tougher to pull off at Twitter since it doesn’t fit into either category.

      I suspect it has long since passed on into "most employees here have only a vague connection to how the business makes money" phase.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Mik

        @Horace said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

        I’ve spent decades trying to understand what project managers actually contribute. I suspect Musk has pondered that question as well.

        Amen. I was on the team that oh so painfully developed a health system's project management office guidelines and tools. It was two and a half years of hideously boring meetings to come up with something I could have told them in ten minutes. It doesn't make any freaking difference what project management methodology you use. You just have to have one.

        Over the years everyone has tried to make me a PM. I'm good at it, such as it is, because I'm not hesitant to challenge people who aren't doing what I want. I'd be an even more effective dictator. But it's an awful, thankless job with little if any personal satisfaction. You become in most cases a professional beggar, hoping people will actually do what they committed to doing.

        Doctor PhibesD Online
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        Doctor Phibes
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        #594

        @Mik said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

        Over the years everyone has tried to make me a PM. I'm good at it, such as it is, because I'm not hesitant to challenge people who aren't doing what I want. I'd be an even more effective dictator. But it's an awful, thankless job with little if any personal satisfaction. You become in most cases a professional beggar, hoping people will actually do what they committed to doing.

        I did the first year of a Master's in Project Management back in the 90's - all paid for by the company I worked for. Thankfully I was saved by a job offer in Canada.

        I was only joking

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #595

          In my experience there are often executives in charge of a big program and they are the ones that often have to wrestle it to the ground and are heavily involved and have the political power to remove obstacles.

          Then there are “project management office” types that run around with gant charts and spreadsheets and ask people when their milestone will be met.

          There are a lot more of the latter than the former.

          A colleague of mine used to call them project management bunnies. That was politically incorrect even then.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • George KG George K

            Musk: "Work hard or get out."

            Elon Musk issued an ultimatum to Twitter employees Wednesday morning: commit to a new “hardcore” Twitter or leave the company with severance pay.
            Employees were told they had to a sign a pledge to stay on with the company. “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” read the email to all staff, which linked to an online form.
            Make your technology a force for good. Sign up for The Tech Friend newsletter with Shira Ovide.

            Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday would receive three months of severance pay, the message said.
            In the midnight email, which was obtained by The Washington Post, Musk said Twitter “will need to be extremely hardcore” going forward. “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.”
            The pledge email, paired with a new policy mandating a return to the office, is expected to lead to even more attrition at a company whose staff Musk had already reduced by half. Musk said Twitter would be more of an engineer-driven operation going forward — and while the design and product-management areas would still be important and report to him, he said, “those writing great code will constitute the majority of our team and have the greatest sway.”

            The horror.

            First no free lunches.
            Then you have to show up at work.
            Then, you actually have to work!

            I imagine all those foosball tables will rake in a handy profit on ebay.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #596

            @George-K said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

            Musk: "Work hard or get out."

            Elon Musk issued an ultimatum to Twitter employees Wednesday morning: commit to a new “hardcore” Twitter or leave the company with severance pay.
            Employees were told they had to a sign a pledge to stay on with the company. “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” read the email to all staff, which linked to an online form.
            Make your technology a force for good. Sign up for The Tech Friend newsletter with Shira Ovide.

            Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday would receive three months of severance pay, the message said.
            In the midnight email, which was obtained by The Washington Post, Musk said Twitter “will need to be extremely hardcore” going forward. “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.”
            The pledge email, paired with a new policy mandating a return to the office, is expected to lead to even more attrition at a company whose staff Musk had already reduced by half. Musk said Twitter would be more of an engineer-driven operation going forward — and while the design and product-management areas would still be important and report to him, he said, “those writing great code will constitute the majority of our team and have the greatest sway.”

            The horror.

            First no free lunches.
            Then you have to show up at work.
            Then, you actually have to work!

            I imagine all those foosball tables will rake in a handy profit on ebay.

            He should personally sign them and authenticate they came from Twitter HQ. Would likely add a lot of value…

            The Brad

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              In my experience there are often executives in charge of a big program and they are the ones that often have to wrestle it to the ground and are heavily involved and have the political power to remove obstacles.

              Then there are “project management office” types that run around with gant charts and spreadsheets and ask people when their milestone will be met.

              There are a lot more of the latter than the former.

              A colleague of mine used to call them project management bunnies. That was politically incorrect even then.

              HoraceH Online
              HoraceH Online
              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #597

              @jon-nyc said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

              In my experience there are often executives in charge of a big program and they are the ones that often have to wrestle it to the ground and are heavily involved and have the political power to remove obstacles.

              Then there are “project management office” types that run around with gant charts and spreadsheets and ask people when their milestone will be met.

              There are a lot more of the latter than the former.

              A colleague of mine used to call them project management bunnies. That was politically incorrect even then.

              There is a certain correlation with genetic phenotype which is difficult not to notice.

              Education is extremely important.

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                89th
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                #598

                From: Elon Musk
                To: Team [at Twitter]
                Subj. A Fork in the Road
                Date: Nov. 16, 2022 [time stamp removed]

                Going forward, to build a breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in an increasingly competitive world, we will need to be extremely hardcore. This will mean working long hours at high intensity. Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.

                Twitter will also be much more engineering-driven. Design and product management will still be very important and report to me, but those writing great code will constitute the majority of our team and have the greatest sway.

                At its heart, Twitter is a software and servers company, so l think this makes sense.

                If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below:

                [Link removed]

                Anyone who has not done so by 5pm ET tomorrow (Thursday) will receive three months of severance.

                Whatever decision you make, thank you for your efforts to make Twitter successful.

                Elon

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                • 89th8 Offline
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                  89th
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #599

                  Sorry for formatting. Above is an email from Elon to all of Twitter this morning. I LOL'd at his style. I dig it, mainly because I don't work there, but he is a catalyst for change, like it or not!

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                  • HoraceH Online
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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #600

                    He's good at demanding more, but not so keen on providing more compensation. It'll appeal to some. It would have appealed to me when I was younger.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      Copper
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #601

                      Yes, I would have loved that when I was younger.

                      The key is that Mr. Musk must follow through and compensate those who earn it.

                      AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply
                      • CopperC Copper

                        Yes, I would have loved that when I was younger.

                        The key is that Mr. Musk must follow through and compensate those who earn it.

                        AxtremusA Away
                        AxtremusA Away
                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #602

                        @Copper said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                        The key is that Mr. Musk must follow through and compensate those who earn it.

                        There is nothing to follow through. Musk has not promise any compensation to be earned.

                        CopperC 1 Reply Last reply
                        • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #603

                          At no point in my career would I have reacted to that in a positive way.

                          Massively rich d-bag asks me to give up my private life so he can make even more obscene amounts money in the hope of a yet-to-be-specified reward of some sort?

                          How does 'fuck off, Elon' grab you?

                          I was only joking

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                          • KlausK Offline
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                            Klaus
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                            #604

                            Elon's management approach looks rather heavy-handed.

                            He is pissing off even those employees who support his general course of action.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Copper said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              The key is that Mr. Musk must follow through and compensate those who earn it.

                              There is nothing to follow through. Musk has not promise any compensation to be earned.

                              CopperC Offline
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                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #605

                              @Axtremus said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                              Musk has not promise any compensation to be earned.

                              Compensation takes many forms

                              And whether he promises it doesn't matter.

                              He must deliver it.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #606

                                Kind of funny.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  George K
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                                  OK, if you were the owner of a business whose employees said this type of stuff about you, why would you even think about keeping them on?

                                  Their thoughts may or may not be justified, and they may or may not be right.

                                  But, if it were my business, I'd think long and hard whether their worth to the business justifies keeping them on after this kind of stuff.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #608

                                    Are they twitter employees? I didn't pick up on that.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Are they twitter employees? I didn't pick up on that.

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #609

                                      @jon-nyc said in Elon Musk buys a big chunk of Twitter:

                                      Are they twitter employees? I didn't pick up on that.

                                      It's unclear whether they are or not.

                                      However, more to my point, there have been tons of Twitter employees shit-talking about Elon.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #610

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Aqua Letifer
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #611

                                          I fail to see the problem with taking the internet's nastiest dumpster and setting it on fire to sanitize it some.

                                          Please love yourself.

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