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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

    One of the serious attorneys on his team demanded and received a $3MM retainer.

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    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

    One of the serious attorneys on his team demanded and received a $3MM retainer.

    ….and he’s already sidelined.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/chris-kise-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

      One of the serious attorneys on his team demanded and received a $3MM retainer.

      ….and he’s already sidelined.

      https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/chris-kise-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

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      George K
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      #703

      @jon-nyc does he have to return the retainer?

      If not, that's pretty sweet!

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Horace
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        #704

        Hopefully he had a lawyer look over the retainer contract.

        Education is extremely important.

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          Doctor Phibes
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          #705

          Maybe Rudy gave him a gold-plated tooth straightener?

          I was only joking

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          • George KG George K

            @jon-nyc does he have to return the retainer?

            If not, that's pretty sweet!

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #706

            @George-K Sure. But its not clear he's totally off, just sidelined from the Florida case he was hired for.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              George K
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              #707

              https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/04/politics/trump-supreme-court-mar-a-lago-appeal/index.html

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
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                #708

                SCOTUS: Nope, Mr. President.

                The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.

                The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.

                The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.

                The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.

                The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  SCOTUS: Nope, Mr. President.

                  The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.

                  The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.

                  The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.

                  The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.

                  The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #709

                  @George-K

                  Ken White said that was a purely performative motion and that it was unlikely he would even get Thomas’s or Alito’s agreement.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.171.0_2.pdf

                    Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.171.0_2.pdf

                      Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."

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                      @Axtremus

                      The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.

                      Good luck with that one.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Axtremus

                        The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.

                        Good luck with that one.

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                        George K
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                        #712

                        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        @George-K

                        Ken White said that was a purely performative motion and that it was unlikely he would even get Thomas’s or Alito’s agreement.

                        Well, he can declassify whatever he wants. The question is whether he really did or not. There's no documentation to support that he did.

                        Just saying that you did doesn't make it so.

                        ETA: I think, and this is just a wild-ass guess on my part, is that he's relying on the precedent of Bill Clinton having removed tapes of an interview from the White House and keeping them in his sock drawer. Good luck with that too.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
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                          No nuke codes. It was all about ego.

                          Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter.
                          As part of the investigation, federal authorities reviewed the classified documents that were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club, looking to see if the types of information contained in them pointed to any kind of pattern or similarities, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

                          No grift:

                          That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #714

                            So who won the nothing burger prediction competition on this one? My guess is, nobody on the left.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #715

                              One more in a long line of nothingburgers.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #716

                                It's all a strategy to politically wound Trump.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #717

                                  It’s always the coverup.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    It’s always the coverup.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    #718

                                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    It’s always the coverup.

                                    Dunno, ask Hunter...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      xenon
                                      wrote on last edited by xenon
                                      #719

                                      A nothingburger in terms of implications - but at the core, none of this would have happened if Trump wasn't acting like a man child.

                                      What's the saying - play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #720

                                        See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.

                                        What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.

                                        You've been manipulated...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Copper
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                                          #721

                                          Clinton took the furniture

                                          and the Ws

                                          But that wasn't gold plated so the Trumps wouldn't want it

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