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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

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    In case you missed it, here's one of the guys arrested at the Capitol - presumably some kind of weird cosplay thang going on.

    I'm guessing he reacted to being hated by growing that moustache.

    Or maybe he's an undercover FBI guy.

    I know, it's easy to laugh. What a fucking nutbag.

    Ok, ya got one.

    Out of 120,000 people.

    Good for you!

    Here, I'll give you a freebie:
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    #694

    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    Ok, ya got one.
    Out of 120,000 people.
    Good for you!
    Here, I'll give you a freebie:

    There's plenty of unpleasant characters on both sides. I'm happy to admit the left are toxic. There's no shortage of toxicity on the other side, even if it's not always as obvious. There's a guy cycles by where I work with a big sign saying 'FUCK JOE BIDEN, AND FUCK YOU IF YOU VOTED FOR HIM'. Another nutter, obviously. People who think that 'Let's go Brandon' is hilariously funny are kind of missing the point, too. Well, to clarify, they're missing a point other than that repeating any joke 25 times is more of a mental condition than actual humour.

    I was only joking

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

      That's precisely as I've heard it described. You never know when he's going to undermine your entire legal strategy with a tweet Truth Social thingy.

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      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

      That's precisely as I've heard it described. You never know when he's going to undermine your entire legal strategy with a tweet Truth Social thingy.

      A funny exchange between Josh Barro and Ken White on Trump's Hannity interview:

      Josh Barro:
      So, does that statement on television? Does that undermine a potential criminal defense in which he would claim that he did not personally intend to take certain government documents with him certain places, if he's on television claiming I declassified everything in my own mind?

      Ken White:
      Okay. Yes. If you want to be hypercritical here, Josh, that was confessing to elements of several crimes on national television. But we're grading on a curve here in terms of the wisdom of moves, in terms of how well they work in your federal criminal defense we have to compare it to what Trump is normally like. And you're getting perilously close to criticizing the font on a two year old's I love you mommy and daddy card so...

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        53%

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/majority-see-fbi-as-bidens-personal-gestapo-after-trump-raid

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          #697

          That’s about the same percentage who can’t find France on a map.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            #698

            What percentage are worried about Biden's Gazpacho police?

            I was only joking

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              Jolly
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              #699

              More than that and growing everyday...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                More than that and growing everyday...

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                #700

                Biden's revenge is a dish best served cold.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  Biden's revenge is a dish best served cold.

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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Biden's revenge is a dish best served cold.

                  Never diss a man about his oatmeal.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

                    One of the serious attorneys on his team demanded and received a $3MM retainer.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

                    One of the serious attorneys on his team demanded and received a $3MM retainer.

                    ….and he’s already sidelined.

                    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/chris-kise-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

                      One of the serious attorneys on his team demanded and received a $3MM retainer.

                      ….and he’s already sidelined.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/politics/chris-kise-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

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                      @jon-nyc does he have to return the retainer?

                      If not, that's pretty sweet!

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #704

                        Hopefully he had a lawyer look over the retainer contract.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Maybe Rudy gave him a gold-plated tooth straightener?

                          I was only joking

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                          • George KG George K

                            @jon-nyc does he have to return the retainer?

                            If not, that's pretty sweet!

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                            jon-nyc
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                            @George-K Sure. But its not clear he's totally off, just sidelined from the Florida case he was hired for.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/04/politics/trump-supreme-court-mar-a-lago-appeal/index.html

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
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                                SCOTUS: Nope, Mr. President.

                                The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.

                                The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.

                                The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.

                                The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.

                                The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  SCOTUS: Nope, Mr. President.

                                  The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.

                                  The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.

                                  The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.

                                  The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.

                                  The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.

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                                  @George-K

                                  Ken White said that was a purely performative motion and that it was unlikely he would even get Thomas’s or Alito’s agreement.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.171.0_2.pdf

                                    Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.171.0_2.pdf

                                      Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."

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                                      @Axtremus

                                      The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.

                                      Good luck with that one.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        @Axtremus

                                        The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.

                                        Good luck with that one.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @George-K

                                        Ken White said that was a purely performative motion and that it was unlikely he would even get Thomas’s or Alito’s agreement.

                                        Well, he can declassify whatever he wants. The question is whether he really did or not. There's no documentation to support that he did.

                                        Just saying that you did doesn't make it so.

                                        ETA: I think, and this is just a wild-ass guess on my part, is that he's relying on the precedent of Bill Clinton having removed tapes of an interview from the White House and keeping them in his sock drawer. Good luck with that too.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          No nuke codes. It was all about ego.

                                          Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter.
                                          As part of the investigation, federal authorities reviewed the classified documents that were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club, looking to see if the types of information contained in them pointed to any kind of pattern or similarities, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

                                          No grift:

                                          That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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