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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.171.0_2.pdf

    Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."

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    jon-nyc
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    #711

    @Axtremus

    The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.

    Good luck with that one.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Axtremus

      The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.

      Good luck with that one.

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      George K
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      #712

      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @George-K

      Ken White said that was a purely performative motion and that it was unlikely he would even get Thomas’s or Alito’s agreement.

      Well, he can declassify whatever he wants. The question is whether he really did or not. There's no documentation to support that he did.

      Just saying that you did doesn't make it so.

      ETA: I think, and this is just a wild-ass guess on my part, is that he's relying on the precedent of Bill Clinton having removed tapes of an interview from the White House and keeping them in his sock drawer. Good luck with that too.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #713

        No nuke codes. It was all about ego.

        Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter.
        As part of the investigation, federal authorities reviewed the classified documents that were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club, looking to see if the types of information contained in them pointed to any kind of pattern or similarities, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

        No grift:

        That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #714

          So who won the nothing burger prediction competition on this one? My guess is, nobody on the left.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #715

            One more in a long line of nothingburgers.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #716

              It's all a strategy to politically wound Trump.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #717

                It’s always the coverup.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  It’s always the coverup.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #718

                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  It’s always the coverup.

                  Dunno, ask Hunter...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • X Online
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                    xenon
                    wrote on last edited by xenon
                    #719

                    A nothingburger in terms of implications - but at the core, none of this would have happened if Trump wasn't acting like a man child.

                    What's the saying - play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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                      Jolly
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                      #720

                      See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.

                      What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.

                      You've been manipulated...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
                        wrote on last edited by Copper
                        #721

                        Clinton took the furniture

                        and the Ws

                        But that wasn't gold plated so the Trumps wouldn't want it

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.

                          What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.

                          You've been manipulated...

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #722

                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point.

                          I think you have to concede the point. LOL

                          From National Archives
                          "NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration."

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.

                            What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.

                            You've been manipulated...

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                            #723

                            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point.

                            No you wouldn't, because your views are based on your feels, not on any evidence or facts.

                            What other president refused to cooperate with the national archives? What other president lied to them repeatedly, both verbally and in writing?

                            As I said months ago, if the fat man had simply cooperated, he wouldn't be in any trouble right now. At least for this.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #724

                              Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?

                              There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?

                                There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                #725

                                @Jolly

                                1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.

                                2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @Jolly

                                  1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.

                                  2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #726

                                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  and Secretaries of State

                                  Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #727

                                    And they got through with Bleachbit and hammering hard drives.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      and Secretaries of State

                                      Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.

                                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #728

                                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      and Secretaries of State

                                      Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.

                                      Which Trump had, what, a year and a half to do while he was feigning cooperation with the Feds?

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • AxtremusA Away
                                        AxtremusA Away
                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                                        #729

                                        https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/18/garland-to-appoint-special-counsel-for-trump-criminal-probes-00069451

                                        Garland appointed Jack Smith as Special Counsel for Trump criminal probe.

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                                        • JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #730

                                          Yep, done after the announcement. Nothing political about it.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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