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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1204

    Another one bites the dust. Sadly, not in the conventional sense.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-pulls-commander-in-ukraine-following-criticism-over-battlefield-losses/ar-AA13Q44p?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eea485b200554f129be1ed55941372d9

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      Wow. How do you fight with an army like that? This is one area where I disagree with McCarthy and the like. We should support Ukraine for as long as it takes to achieve victory. Any negotiation sounds to me like "Peace in our time".

      CopperC Offline
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      Copper
      wrote on last edited by
      #1205

      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

      We should support Ukraine for as long as it takes to achieve victory.

      Because we don't want them to turn on us.

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #1206

        Russians supposedly retreating from Kherson city. Ukrainian forces should remain cautious as I am sure it does not mean all Russian troops will be withdrawn any time soon:

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          Russians supposedly retreating from Kherson city. Ukrainian forces should remain cautious as I am sure it does not mean all Russian troops will be withdrawn any time soon:

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #1207

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Russians supposedly retreating from Kherson city. Ukrainian forces should remain cautious as I am sure it does not mean all Russian troops will be withdrawn any time soon:

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-is-wary-of-russias-kherson-retreat-fearing-a-trap-11668078822?mod=e2tw

          Ukrainian officials urged caution about Russia’s announced withdrawal from the southern city of Kherson, as U.S. officials estimated that 100,000 troops on each side had been killed or wounded since the war began.

          Russia said on Wednesday that it was pulling troops from Kherson and surrounding areas, abandoning the only regional capital it had seized since its invasion in February and boosting Ukraine’s campaign to regain lost land.

          But officials in Kyiv have warned that the Russian claim could be a way of luring Ukrainian soldiers into a bloody fight for the city, where signs suggest Russia still has a sizable contingent of forces and has booby-trapped key objects of infrastructure to slow Ukraine’s advance.

          “It’s important to understand: No one leaves any place just like that,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his late-night video address on Wednesday.

          Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Mr. Zelensky, said Kyiv is seeing no sign that Russia will leave Kherson without a fight. The Russian military has heavily mined the city, he said on Thursday, and plans to use artillery positioned on the eastern bank to turn urban areas into ruin. Kherson, he said in a tweet, may be turned into a “city of death.”

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #1208

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-set-to-skip-g20-summit-after-learning-another-world-leader-will-slap-him-in-the-face-over-war-with-ukraine/ar-AA13VTxF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a111bea4985c4eebb0d65a3dd5785e3a

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #1209

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • George KG George K

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Russians supposedly retreating from Kherson city. Ukrainian forces should remain cautious as I am sure it does not mean all Russian troops will be withdrawn any time soon:

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

                https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-is-wary-of-russias-kherson-retreat-fearing-a-trap-11668078822?mod=e2tw

                Ukrainian officials urged caution about Russia’s announced withdrawal from the southern city of Kherson, as U.S. officials estimated that 100,000 troops on each side had been killed or wounded since the war began.

                Russia said on Wednesday that it was pulling troops from Kherson and surrounding areas, abandoning the only regional capital it had seized since its invasion in February and boosting Ukraine’s campaign to regain lost land.

                But officials in Kyiv have warned that the Russian claim could be a way of luring Ukrainian soldiers into a bloody fight for the city, where signs suggest Russia still has a sizable contingent of forces and has booby-trapped key objects of infrastructure to slow Ukraine’s advance.

                “It’s important to understand: No one leaves any place just like that,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his late-night video address on Wednesday.

                Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Mr. Zelensky, said Kyiv is seeing no sign that Russia will leave Kherson without a fight. The Russian military has heavily mined the city, he said on Thursday, and plans to use artillery positioned on the eastern bank to turn urban areas into ruin. Kherson, he said in a tweet, may be turned into a “city of death.”

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #1210

                @George-K

                Here’s a good follow up report more or less confirming that the Kremlin is undertaking a maskirovka with this supposed retreat:

                https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/08/undesirable-but-likely

                Elbows up!

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1211

                  Ukrainian troops surrounded in Kherson:

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1212

                    There's a guy who keeps track of all Russian losses in a google database.

                    The sidebar lets you look at individual items, as well as trends.

                    Fascinating.

                    https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/IzToC?s=pDAeJUAm1lY

                    Here's a screenshot.

                    Screenshot 2022-11-11 at 8.50.14 AM.png

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1213

                      Russia soldier gets grenades dropped on him by a drone. Throws them away just before they explode.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1214

                        Not news, but another shot of demonstrations in Kherson.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1215

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #1216

                            In what kind of army does this even happen?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1217

                              Complete disarray.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • George KG George K

                                In what kind of army does this even happen?

                                RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1218

                                @George-K

                                Wow!

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  Complete disarray.

                                  CopperC Offline
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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1219

                                  @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Complete disarray.

                                  Probably misarray too.

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                                  • George KG Offline
                                    George KG Offline
                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1220

                                    Putin The Beaten: Russia Lost Kherson And It Looks Bad In Ukraine

                                    The withdrawal from Kherson cost the Russian forces dearly. Over the last couple of weeks, the Russian military has been averaging 500 casualties every day, an unsustainable rate of losses for any military that wishes to conduct offensive operations on three fronts without any large-scale reinforcements.

                                    Overall, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claimed that as of Monday, Ukrainian forces have killed approximately 81,370 Russian troops (and wounded approximately thrice that number), destroyed 278 fighter, attack, bomber, and transport jets, 261 attack and transport helicopters, 2,848 tanks, 1,839 artillery pieces, 5,748 armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles, 393 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), 16 boats and cutters, 4,316 vehicles and fuel tanks, 206 anti-aircraft batteries, 1,509 tactical unmanned aerial systems, 160 special equipment platforms, such as bridging vehicles, and four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems, and 399 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1221

                                      Russia just doesn’t get it:

                                      The Kremlin said it would work to stop the West seizing its international reserves to pay for reparations.

                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63632819

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by George K
                                        #1222

                                        Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                                        https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                                          https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                                          #1223

                                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                                          https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                                          Well crap… Obviously it’s close enough to the border that it can be claimed to be error, and it probably was… But it could also be a poke just to see how NATO responds…

                                          The Brad

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