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  • George KG George K

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Russians supposedly retreating from Kherson city. Ukrainian forces should remain cautious as I am sure it does not mean all Russian troops will be withdrawn any time soon:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63573387

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-is-wary-of-russias-kherson-retreat-fearing-a-trap-11668078822?mod=e2tw

    Ukrainian officials urged caution about Russia’s announced withdrawal from the southern city of Kherson, as U.S. officials estimated that 100,000 troops on each side had been killed or wounded since the war began.

    Russia said on Wednesday that it was pulling troops from Kherson and surrounding areas, abandoning the only regional capital it had seized since its invasion in February and boosting Ukraine’s campaign to regain lost land.

    But officials in Kyiv have warned that the Russian claim could be a way of luring Ukrainian soldiers into a bloody fight for the city, where signs suggest Russia still has a sizable contingent of forces and has booby-trapped key objects of infrastructure to slow Ukraine’s advance.

    “It’s important to understand: No one leaves any place just like that,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his late-night video address on Wednesday.

    Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Mr. Zelensky, said Kyiv is seeing no sign that Russia will leave Kherson without a fight. The Russian military has heavily mined the city, he said on Thursday, and plans to use artillery positioned on the eastern bank to turn urban areas into ruin. Kherson, he said in a tweet, may be turned into a “city of death.”

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #1210

    @George-K

    Here’s a good follow up report more or less confirming that the Kremlin is undertaking a maskirovka with this supposed retreat:

    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/08/undesirable-but-likely

    Elbows up!

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #1211

      Ukrainian troops surrounded in Kherson:

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1212

        There's a guy who keeps track of all Russian losses in a google database.

        The sidebar lets you look at individual items, as well as trends.

        Fascinating.

        https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/dfbcec47-7b01-400e-ab21-de8eb98c8f3a/page/IzToC?s=pDAeJUAm1lY

        Here's a screenshot.

        Screenshot 2022-11-11 at 8.50.14 AM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          taiwan_girl
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          #1213

          Russia soldier gets grenades dropped on him by a drone. Throws them away just before they explode.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1214

            Not news, but another shot of demonstrations in Kherson.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1215

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by George K
                #1216

                In what kind of army does this even happen?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1217

                  Complete disarray.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • George KG George K

                    In what kind of army does this even happen?

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1218

                    @George-K

                    Wow!

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Complete disarray.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1219

                      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Complete disarray.

                      Probably misarray too.

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                        George K
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                        #1220

                        Putin The Beaten: Russia Lost Kherson And It Looks Bad In Ukraine

                        The withdrawal from Kherson cost the Russian forces dearly. Over the last couple of weeks, the Russian military has been averaging 500 casualties every day, an unsustainable rate of losses for any military that wishes to conduct offensive operations on three fronts without any large-scale reinforcements.

                        Overall, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claimed that as of Monday, Ukrainian forces have killed approximately 81,370 Russian troops (and wounded approximately thrice that number), destroyed 278 fighter, attack, bomber, and transport jets, 261 attack and transport helicopters, 2,848 tanks, 1,839 artillery pieces, 5,748 armored personnel carriers, and infantry fighting vehicles, 393 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), 16 boats and cutters, 4,316 vehicles and fuel tanks, 206 anti-aircraft batteries, 1,509 tactical unmanned aerial systems, 160 special equipment platforms, such as bridging vehicles, and four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems, and 399 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1221

                          Russia just doesn’t get it:

                          The Kremlin said it would work to stop the West seizing its international reserves to pay for reparations.

                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63632819

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          Elbows up!

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #1222

                            Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                            https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                              https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                              #1223

                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                              https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                              Well crap… Obviously it’s close enough to the border that it can be claimed to be error, and it probably was… But it could also be a poke just to see how NATO responds…

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                                https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                                Well crap… Obviously it’s close enough to the border that it can be claimed to be error, and it probably was… But it could also be a poke just to see how NATO responds…

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1224

                                @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Russian missiles, land in Poland, killing two..

                                https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52?taid=6373e1a578439d000178fba6&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

                                Well crap… Obviously it’s close enough to the border that it can be claimed to be error, and it probably was… But it could also be a poke just to see how NATO responds…

                                Major wars start over such errors.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1225

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1226

                                    Read the comments - doesn't seem all that reliable.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #1227

                                      Regardless of where the missile was fired from, AWACS staff had one hell of wild day today. Still, if the missile was a Ukrainian air defence rocket that went astray the fault still rests on the Kremlin. That weapon would not have been fired unless the Russians had initiated their own missile attack into that area of western Ukraine.

                                      Either way, Putin owns it

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        Regardless of where the missile was fired from, AWACS staff had one hell of wild day today. Still, if the missile was a Ukrainian air defence rocket that went astray the fault still rests on the Kremlin. That weapon would not have been fired unless the Russians had initiated their own missile attack into that area of western Ukraine.

                                        Either way, Putin owns it

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1228

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Either way, Putin owns it

                                        Agreed. Most are saying that it was fired from Ukraine as a defense against incoming Russian missiles.

                                        Darth opines:

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          In what kind of army does this even happen?

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1229

                                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          In what kind of army does this even happen?

                                          Consequences:

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/16/russian-soldier-faces-15-years-in-jail-after-criticizing-poor-training-reports-a79389

                                          Elbows up!

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