Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. Mar-a-Lago raided

Mar-a-Lago raided

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
780 Posts 20 Posters 37.8k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

    https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

    Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

    But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

    Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

    "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

    Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

    RenaudaR Offline
    RenaudaR Offline
    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #482

    @Jolly

    Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind..

    Odd juxtaposition. I assume though it wasn’t intentional but rather, just spilled out all over the forum.

    In any case, you can be comforted in knowing that Mr Putin has almost identical sentiments about Mr. Zelenskyi.

    You are indeed in good company

    Elbows up!

    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @Jolly

      Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind..

      Odd juxtaposition. I assume though it wasn’t intentional but rather, just spilled out all over the forum.

      In any case, you can be comforted in knowing that Mr Putin has almost identical sentiments about Mr. Zelenskyi.

      You are indeed in good company

      JollyJ Offline
      JollyJ Offline
      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #483

      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @Jolly

      Odd juxtaposition. I assume it wasn’t intentional but rather, just spilled out.

      In any case, you can no comforted in knowing that Mr Putin has almost identical sentiments about Mr. Zelenskyi.

      You are indeed in good company

      Weissman?

      Very intentional. Has all the worst attributes of a prosecutor.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

      RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
      • JollyJ Jolly

        @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        @Jolly

        Odd juxtaposition. I assume it wasn’t intentional but rather, just spilled out.

        In any case, you can no comforted in knowing that Mr Putin has almost identical sentiments about Mr. Zelenskyi.

        You are indeed in good company

        Weissman?

        Very intentional. Has all the worst attributes of a prosecutor.

        RenaudaR Offline
        RenaudaR Offline
        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #484

        @Jolly

        Am sure it was indeed intentional. I would have thought though bureaucrat and fanatic to be more appropriate. Reynard Heydrich being the prime example. Maybe Adolf Eichmann. Looking for a prosecutor? May I offer, Andrei Vyshinsky. Banality at its finest or, should I say, at its most despicable?

        But to each their own I suppose although as I say, you are in good company out there.

        Elbows up!

        Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @Jolly

          Am sure it was indeed intentional. I would have thought though bureaucrat and fanatic to be more appropriate. Reynard Heydrich being the prime example. Maybe Adolf Eichmann. Looking for a prosecutor? May I offer, Andrei Vyshinsky. Banality at its finest or, should I say, at its most despicable?

          But to each their own I suppose although as I say, you are in good company out there.

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
          Doctor PhibesD Offline
          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #485

          @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          @Jolly

          Am sure it was indeed intentional. I would have thought though bureaucrat and fanatic to be more appropriate. Reynard Heydrich being the prime example. Maybe Adolf Eichmann. Looking for a prosecutor? May I offer, Andrei Vyshinsky. Banality at its finest or, should I say, at its most despicable?

          But to each their own I suppose although as I say, you are in good company out there.

          Mr. Trump's former lawyer, Roy Cohn, was quite a stand-out as a prosecutor, I seem to think...

          I was only joking

          1 Reply Last reply
          • George KG Offline
            George KG Offline
            George K
            wrote on last edited by George K
            #486

            FbChyCbXoAA3lO1.pngFbCh271XoAAGgD3.png

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

            1 Reply Last reply
            • JollyJ Offline
              JollyJ Offline
              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #487

              Epstein's lawyer granted half of a loaf...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

              1 Reply Last reply
              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                #488

                Ken White’s new podcast covers the latest trump motion (requesting a ‘Special Master’) as well as this.

                Worth a listen, they put this episode in front of the paywall. Podcast is called ‘Serious Trouble’.

                You were warned.

                1 Reply Last reply
                • George KG Offline
                  George KG Offline
                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #489

                  Judge says she has ‘preliminary intent’ to appoint special master

                  A federal judge scheduled a hearing for Thursday to consider former President Donald Trump’s request for a “special master” to oversee the FBI’s review of evidence seized at Mar-a-Lago.

                  In doing so, the court put the parties on notice that she had a “preliminary intent” to appoint the special master, a third-party attorney who would filter out privileged material seized in the search.

                  Trump re-ups request for 'special master' but glosses over some questions from the judge

                  Ahead of the hearing, the government faces a Tuesday deadline to respond to Trump’s request in writing, according to the scheduling order from the court.

                  US District Judge Aileen Cannon, who was nominated to the bench by Trump in 2020, is asking the Department of Justice to file a public response, and additionally file under seal records going into greater detail about what was seized from the search as well as a notice laying out the status of the review of the seized materials, including the process of filtering out privileged information.

                  Trump’s reply to DOJ’s response is due Wednesday.

                  The hearing will be at 1 p.m. ET Thursday at the courthouse in West Palm Beach.

                  Cannon said at the end of the order that it should not be construed as her final decision on the matter.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • JollyJ Offline
                    JollyJ Offline
                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #490

                    I figure that will happen.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                      #491

                      Funny the judge asked the Trump team to rewrite their submission. Commentators have said it didn’t really contain much legal content, and it read more like an op-ed. The general conclusion was this was just PR, especially since they waited 10 days to file it, long enough for investigators to have combed through everything already.

                      You were warned.

                      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                      • JollyJ Offline
                        JollyJ Offline
                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #492

                        Maybe it goes along with how long Garland sat on doing the raid.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Funny the judge asked the Trump team to rewrite their submission. Commentators have said it didn’t really contain much legal content, and it read more like an op-ed. The general conclusion was this was just PR, especially since they waited 10 days to file it, long enough for investigators to have combed through everything already.

                          George KG Offline
                          George KG Offline
                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #493

                          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          , long enough for investigators to have combed through everything already.

                          True. But if the special master says this is privileged information, it's not admissible to a court. Perhaps not to a grand jury, either.

                          (aside, does a grand jury get to see evidence, or just the state's case?)

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          • jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nycJ Online
                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #494

                            I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

                            You were warned.

                            Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

                              Doctor PhibesD Offline
                              Doctor PhibesD Offline
                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #495

                              @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

                              Surely it’s all declassified?

                              I was only joking

                              RenaudaR George KG 2 Replies Last reply
                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

                                Surely it’s all declassified?

                                RenaudaR Offline
                                RenaudaR Offline
                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #496

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

                                Surely it’s all declassified?

                                Apparently so, either by having it in his possession or by, Lord knows, magic. Let’s let the courts decide and set a precedent. After all, that how Common Law works.

                                Elbows up!

                                Catseye3C 1 Reply Last reply
                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

                                  Surely it’s all declassified?

                                  George KG Offline
                                  George KG Offline
                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #497

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Surely it’s all declassified?

                                  Either that or it was wedding plans and recipes.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                  Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Surely it’s all declassified?

                                    Either that or it was wedding plans and recipes.

                                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                    Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #498

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Surely it’s all declassified?

                                    Either that or it was wedding plans and recipes.

                                    Or he could have plans to bury some more ex-wives there...

                                    I was only joking

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    • JollyJ Offline
                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #499

                                      I think the declassified argument can be made.

                                      I also think an argument can be made for a nonspecific warrant and the inherent problens with evidence gathered under such warrant.

                                      And I think the FBI is going to have to come up with something extraordinary or they're going to seriously regret their actions.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      • George KG Offline
                                        George KG Offline
                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #500

                                        ‘Comically Inept and Inexperienced’ Legal Team

                                        “Publicly, what they’re saying is this is rallying Republicans to Trump’s defense,” Karl said. “This makes it more likely that he will run for president, more likely that he will win the Republican nomination. Campaigning against this political action by the FBI and the DOJ.

                                        “Privately, they are really concerned. And one of the big concerns here is that Trump has nobody defending him. If you look at his legal team, it is comically inept and inexperienced. All of the big names who defended him through the first two impeachments, through the Mueller investigation, they are gone. There is real concern that he needs to bring in a heavy hitting criminal defense attorney.”

                                        Trouble is, according to Karl, that Trump just can’t find a top attorney willing to take him on as a client.

                                        “I know of several that have been approached who have said no,” Karl said. “I even know of one prominent criminal defense attorney who was approached who didn’t even return the phone call.”

                                        Karl went on to question how Trump plans to get enough Republicans to vote for him in a presidential primary when he can’t even get an attorney to defend him.

                                        “The idea of Donald Trump running for president again and being the frontrunner for the Republican nomination — will Republicans be comfortable supporting a candidate who cannot even hire a criminal defense attorney?”

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                        AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply
                                        • George KG George K

                                          ‘Comically Inept and Inexperienced’ Legal Team

                                          “Publicly, what they’re saying is this is rallying Republicans to Trump’s defense,” Karl said. “This makes it more likely that he will run for president, more likely that he will win the Republican nomination. Campaigning against this political action by the FBI and the DOJ.

                                          “Privately, they are really concerned. And one of the big concerns here is that Trump has nobody defending him. If you look at his legal team, it is comically inept and inexperienced. All of the big names who defended him through the first two impeachments, through the Mueller investigation, they are gone. There is real concern that he needs to bring in a heavy hitting criminal defense attorney.”

                                          Trouble is, according to Karl, that Trump just can’t find a top attorney willing to take him on as a client.

                                          “I know of several that have been approached who have said no,” Karl said. “I even know of one prominent criminal defense attorney who was approached who didn’t even return the phone call.”

                                          Karl went on to question how Trump plans to get enough Republicans to vote for him in a presidential primary when he can’t even get an attorney to defend him.

                                          “The idea of Donald Trump running for president again and being the frontrunner for the Republican nomination — will Republicans be comfortable supporting a candidate who cannot even hire a criminal defense attorney?”

                                          AxtremusA Offline
                                          AxtremusA Offline
                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #501

                                          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          ‘Comically Inept and Inexperienced’ Legal Team

                                          “… — will Republicans be comfortable supporting a candidate who cannot even hire a criminal defense attorney?”

                                          You’d think the worry would be about having to support a candidate who desperately needs a criminal defense attorney in the first place.

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups