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  • Catseye3C Offline
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    Catseye3
    wrote on last edited by
    #445

    "Trump Files Lawsuit Against U.S. Government, Claims ‘Most Americans’ Are Distressed by ‘Shockingly Aggressive’ Search of Former President’s Home"

    Uh, not really, Donnie.

    Lots more on the lawsuit here: https://lawandcrime.com/trump/trump-files-lawsuit-against-u-s-government-claims-most-americans-are-distressed-by-shockingly-aggressive-search-of-former-presidents-home/

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
      wrote on last edited by
      #446

      Representing himself in the hopes of taking center stage in a trial that would be watched by exponentially more people than the Jan 6 hearings.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #447

        Could just be that he’s using one of his former attorneys who has since been disbarred.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #448

          Meanwhile, back at the Justice Department, the leaks have started.

          Business as usual...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Meanwhile, back at the Justice Department, the leaks have started.

            Business as usual...

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #449

            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            Meanwhile, back at the Justice Department, the leaks have started.

            Turley:

            The New York Times story then affirms the position of the Justice Department as proven by the leaks.

            “[T}he extent to which such a large number of highly sensitive documents remained at Mar-a-Lago for months, even as the department sought the return of all material that should have been left in government custody when Mr. Trump left office, suggested to officials that the former president or his aides had been cavalier in handling it, not fully forthcoming with investigators, or both.”

            It is litigation by leak where the government prevents others (including the target) from seeing key representations made to the court while releasing selective facts to its own advantage. It shows utter contempt for the court and the public. The question is whether the court will take note of this series of leaks. Most judges do not like to be played so openly and publicly by government officials. Moreover, the leaks should push Garland to reverse course as suggested in a recent column and order substantive disclosures in the affidavit in light of the government’s prior leaks.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              Representing himself in the hopes of taking center stage in a trial that would be watched by exponentially more people than the Jan 6 hearings.

              Catseye3C Offline
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              Catseye3
              wrote on last edited by Catseye3
              #450

              @Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              Representing himself in the hopes of taking center stage in a trial that would be watched by exponentially more people than the Jan 6 hearings.

              That's our Trump -- always creating rumpus, always in the spotlight. I wonder how many people it has occurred to that not only is this a pattern with him, but that it shows weakness; it shows his inability to sustain an image as a strong leader even when you don't see him. Like Reagan or Eisenhower. He cavorts always like a clown, juggling his stunts: "Look at me, look at me-e-e!"

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #451

                Well, look at the bright side ... He wasn't screwing his interns in the Whitehouse pool or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Well, look at the bright side ... He wasn't screwing his interns in the Whitehouse pool or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office...

                  Catseye3C Offline
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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #452

                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office.

                  Probably everyplace else, though.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office.

                    Probably everyplace else, though.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #453

                    @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office.

                    Probably everyplace else, though.

                    If anything untoward would have happened in the hyper-gotcha media force field cast around all things Trump, everybody would have known about it.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #454

                      https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

                      Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

                      But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

                      Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

                      "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

                        Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

                        But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

                        Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

                        "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #455

                        @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

                        How does he know that?

                        Were there personal documents seized?

                        Were communications between Trump and his attorneys seized?

                        Did the FBI, with it's long history of integrity leak that to him?

                        How does he know?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by Mik
                          #456

                          Yep. That's a big, unsupported and probably at least partially false, assertion.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • AxtremusA Offline
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                            Axtremus
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #457

                            https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

                            That page essentially quotes article 44 United States Code Chapter 22 that defines what constitute “presidential records” and hence what belongs to the US and what belongs to the President personally. Haven’t read it through myself, but figure it’d be useful to have here as a reference for folks who want to argue over who gets to own what records.

                            FWIW, just because it’s “communications with an attorney” does not, per se, makes it “personal property.” It depends on the whether the record fits the legal definition of “presidential record.”

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

                              Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

                              But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

                              Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

                              "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

                              JollyJ Offline
                              JollyJ Offline
                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #458

                              @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

                              Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

                              But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

                              Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

                              "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

                              Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

                                Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

                                But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

                                Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

                                "Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

                                Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                AxtremusA Offline
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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #459

                                @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                  Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #460

                                  @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                  Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                  Enron.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                    Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                    Enron.

                                    AxtremusA Offline
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                                    Axtremus
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                                    #461

                                    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                    Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                    Enron.

                                    Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

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                                    • HoraceH Offline
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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #462

                                      Ax is in full rigor mode. Rigor modus.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                        Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                        Enron.

                                        Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

                                        JollyJ Offline
                                        JollyJ Offline
                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #463

                                        @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                        Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                        Enron.

                                        Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

                                        Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                          Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                          Enron.

                                          Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

                                          Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

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                                          Axtremus
                                          wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                                          #464

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

                                          Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

                                          Enron.

                                          Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

                                          Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

                                          Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t mean it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a story that is on point, tell it.

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