Mar-a-Lago raided
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Meanwhile, back at the Justice Department, the leaks have started.
The New York Times story then affirms the position of the Justice Department as proven by the leaks.
“[T}he extent to which such a large number of highly sensitive documents remained at Mar-a-Lago for months, even as the department sought the return of all material that should have been left in government custody when Mr. Trump left office, suggested to officials that the former president or his aides had been cavalier in handling it, not fully forthcoming with investigators, or both.”
It is litigation by leak where the government prevents others (including the target) from seeing key representations made to the court while releasing selective facts to its own advantage. It shows utter contempt for the court and the public. The question is whether the court will take note of this series of leaks. Most judges do not like to be played so openly and publicly by government officials. Moreover, the leaks should push Garland to reverse course as suggested in a recent column and order substantive disclosures in the affidavit in light of the government’s prior leaks.
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Representing himself in the hopes of taking center stage in a trial that would be watched by exponentially more people than the Jan 6 hearings.
@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Representing himself in the hopes of taking center stage in a trial that would be watched by exponentially more people than the Jan 6 hearings.
That's our Trump -- always creating rumpus, always in the spotlight. I wonder how many people it has occurred to that not only is this a pattern with him, but that it shows weakness; it shows his inability to sustain an image as a strong leader even when you don't see him. Like Reagan or Eisenhower. He cavorts always like a clown, juggling his stunts: "Look at me, look at me-e-e!"
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Well, look at the bright side ... He wasn't screwing his interns in the Whitehouse pool or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office...
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Well, look at the bright side ... He wasn't screwing his interns in the Whitehouse pool or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office...
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office.
Probably everyplace else, though.
@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
or getting his dick sucked by an intern in the Oval Office.
Probably everyplace else, though.
If anything untoward would have happened in the hyper-gotcha media force field cast around all things Trump, everybody would have known about it.
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Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.
But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:
Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.
"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …
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Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.
But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:
Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.
"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …
How does he know that?
Were there personal documents seized?
Were communications between Trump and his attorneys seized?
Did the FBI, with it's long history of integrity leak that to him?
How does he know?
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https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html
That page essentially quotes article 44 United States Code Chapter 22 that defines what constitute “presidential records” and hence what belongs to the US and what belongs to the President personally. Haven’t read it through myself, but figure it’d be useful to have here as a reference for folks who want to argue over who gets to own what records.
FWIW, just because it’s “communications with an attorney” does not, per se, makes it “personal property.” It depends on the whether the record fits the legal definition of “presidential record.”
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Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.
But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:
Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.
"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.
But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:
Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.
"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.
But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:
Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.
"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t mean it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a story that is on point, tell it.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t mean it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a story that is on point, tell it.
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?
The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?
The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?
The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”
Ax, why do you use brackets around the word "Jewish"?
You keep writing "[Jewish]".
Why do you keep writing "[Jewish]"?
Thanks.
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?
The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”
Ax, why do you use brackets around the word "Jewish"?
You keep writing "[Jewish]".
Why do you keep writing "[Jewish]"?
Thanks.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.
Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?
Enron.
Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.
Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.
Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.
Nope, you need the education.
“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?
The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”
Ax, why do you use brackets around the word "Jewish"?
You keep writing "[Jewish]".
Why do you keep writing "[Jewish]"?
Thanks.
Because @Jolly characterized Weissman first as a “Nazi” and then also as a “Jewish Nazi.” I use the bracket notation “[Jewish] Nazi” as a shorthand to capture both characterizations made by @Jolly.
