Mar-a-Lago raided

[Axtremus]

https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

How does he know that?

Were there personal documents seized?

Were communications between Trump and his attorneys seized?

Did the FBI, with it's long history of integrity leak that to him?

How does he know?

[Mik]

Yep. That's a big, unsupported and probably at least partially false, assertion.

[Axtremus]

https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

That page essentially quotes article 44 United States Code Chapter 22 that defines what constitute “presidential records” and hence what belongs to the US and what belongs to the President personally. Haven’t read it through myself, but figure it’d be useful to have here as a reference for folks who want to argue over who gets to own what records.

FWIW, just because it’s “communications with an attorney” does not, per se, makes it “personal property.” It depends on the whether the record fits the legal definition of “presidential record.”

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/lawyers-are-giggling-legal-experts-scratch-their-heads-at-trumps-very-strange-new-doj/

Lots of criticism on the supposed unprofessionalism of Trump’s court filing alleging violation of his 4th Amendment rights.

But this one thing piqued my interest, concerning Trump’s demand to have a “special master” to sift through the seized material:

Weissmann, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump's filing has a "fatal flaw" because it doesn't reckon with the fact that the documents legally belong to the National Archives, not the president.

"Nothing needs to be sifted because none of the documents are actually the former president's. These all belong, whether classified or not classified, to the national archives," …

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

[Horace]

Ax is in full rigor mode. Rigor modus.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t mean it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a story that is on point, tell it.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.

Nope, you need the education.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.

Nope, you need the education.

“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?

The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”

[Aqua Letifer]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.

Nope, you need the education.

“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?

The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”

Ax, why do you use brackets around the word "Jewish"?

You keep writing "[Jewish]".

Why do you keep writing "[Jewish]"?

Thanks.

[Axtremus]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.

Nope, you need the education.

“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?

The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”

Ax, why do you use brackets around the word "Jewish"?

You keep writing "[Jewish]".

Why do you keep writing "[Jewish]"?

Thanks.

Because @Jolly characterized Weissman first as a “Nazi” and then also as a “Jewish Nazi.” I use the bracket notation “[Jewish] Nazi” as a shorthand to capture both characterizations made by @Jolly.

[Horace]

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

Weissman is a Nazi. A Jewish Nazi, the worst kind.

Reads like an ad hominem. Care to back up your characterization of Weissman?

Enron.

Not clear how "Enron" relates to your characterization of Weissman as a "[Jewish] Nazi." Kindly elaborate.

Do a bit of research. It's an interesting story.

Trump allegedly criminally taking government property with him and risking exposing sensitive national security secrets at a private clubhouse chock full of foreign agents walking around is an interesting story too, doesn’t meant it supports your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.” If you have a sorry that is on point, tell it.

Nope, you need the education.

“Nope” as in you are now admitting whatever “interesting story” you thought you had in mind does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi”?

The assertion that I or anyone needing some unspecified education certainly does not support your characterization of Weissman as a “[Jewish] Nazi.”

Ax, why do you use brackets around the word "Jewish"?

You keep writing "[Jewish]".

Why do you keep writing "[Jewish]"?

Thanks.

Because @Jolly characterized Weissman first as a “Nazi” and then also as a “Jewish Nazi.” I use the bracket notation “[Jewish] Nazi” as a shorthand to capture both characterizations made by @Jolly.

So, it's like a regular expression, where Jewish is an optional matching?

[Doctor Phibes]

I think what Ax might be trying to say, but is too polite to actually do so is "What the fuck does the fact that he's Jewish have to do with anything"?

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

I think what Ax might be trying to say, but is too polite to actually do so is "What the fuck does the fact that he's Jewish have to do with anything"?

It makes the fact he's a Nazi, extra ironic. Dave Chapelle's show's second most famous skit was based on that sort of idea. First most famous being Rick James, second being the blind black KKK member. Hilarity!

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

I think what Ax might be trying to say, but is too polite to actually do so is "What the fuck does the fact that he's Jewish have to do with anything"?

It makes the fact he's a Nazi, extra ironic. Dave Chapelle's show's second most famous skit was based on that sort of idea. First most famous being Rick James, second being the blind black KKK member. Hilarity!

Oh, I see - anti-Semitic Godwinism. Hilarious.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

I think what Ax might be trying to say, but is too polite to actually do so is "What the fuck does the fact that he's Jewish have to do with anything"?

It makes the fact he's a Nazi, extra ironic. Dave Chapelle's show's second most famous skit was based on that sort of idea. First most famous being Rick James, second being the blind black KKK member. Hilarity!

Oh, I see - anti-Semitic Godwinism. Hilarious.

I'm sure Jolly can speak for himself, but I doubt any part of his point was to express hatred of Jewish people. But as always, the left leaning among us are the experts in spotting hatred.