Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. Taiwan

Taiwan

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
36 Posts 9 Posters 395 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • J Offline
    J Offline
    Jolly
    wrote on 25 Sept 2020, 01:41 last edited by
    #1

    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-will-start-a-just-war-if-us-troops-return-to-taiwan-state-affiliated-media-warns/ar-BB19o1Rz

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

    T G 2 Replies Last reply 25 Sept 2020, 01:54
    • J Jolly
      25 Sept 2020, 01:41

      Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-will-start-a-just-war-if-us-troops-return-to-taiwan-state-affiliated-media-warns/ar-BB19o1Rz

      T Offline
      T Offline
      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 25 Sept 2020, 01:54 last edited by
      #2

      @Jolly Interesting article. Thanks for bringing attention to it.

      1 Reply Last reply
      • M Away
        M Away
        Mik
        wrote on 25 Sept 2020, 02:33 last edited by
        #3

        I don't see what good returning forces to Taiwan would do. It won't be a land war.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

        T 1 Reply Last reply 25 Sept 2020, 02:35
        • M Mik
          25 Sept 2020, 02:33

          I don't see what good returning forces to Taiwan would do. It won't be a land war.

          T Offline
          T Offline
          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 25 Sept 2020, 02:35 last edited by
          #4

          @Mik I dont think that the US would put troops in Taiwan, but if they did, I think it would be just to say, "If you do anything to Taiwan, you are doing it to the US"

          1 Reply Last reply
          • T Offline
            T Offline
            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 03:28 last edited by
            #5

            (https://news.yahoo.com/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-held-a-war-game-that-started-with-a-chinese-biological-attack-170003936.html)

            Interesting article.

            I had actually seen a summary of this at work a couple of month ago.

            1 Reply Last reply
            • J Offline
              J Offline
              Jolly
              wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 11:44 last edited by
              #6

              Well, we've already had the biological attack (probably unintentional) and we saw what happened.

              China has really built up their military capability and America helped finance it...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

              1 Reply Last reply
              • C Offline
                C Offline
                Copper
                wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 16:09 last edited by
                #7

                Will they pull the trigger when they are ready or before?

                The longer they wait to more surprise they lose.

                If I was them, I would go as soon as possible.

                J 1 Reply Last reply 11 Mar 2021, 16:30
                • C Copper
                  11 Mar 2021, 16:09

                  Will they pull the trigger when they are ready or before?

                  The longer they wait to more surprise they lose.

                  If I was them, I would go as soon as possible.

                  J Offline
                  J Offline
                  Jolly
                  wrote on 11 Mar 2021, 16:30 last edited by
                  #8

                  @copper said in Taiwan:

                  Will they pull the trigger when they are ready or before?

                  The longer they wait to more surprise they lose.

                  If I was them, I would go as soon as possible.

                  The Chinese will calculate advantage. We grow weaker, they grow stronger. They'll know when.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • J Jolly
                    25 Sept 2020, 01:41

                    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-will-start-a-just-war-if-us-troops-return-to-taiwan-state-affiliated-media-warns/ar-BB19o1Rz

                    G Offline
                    G Offline
                    George K
                    wrote on 1 Aug 2022, 20:32 last edited by
                    #9

                    @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                    T 1 Reply Last reply 2 Aug 2022, 01:40
                    • J Offline
                      J Offline
                      Jolly
                      wrote on 1 Aug 2022, 20:36 last edited by
                      #10

                      alt text

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • G George K
                        1 Aug 2022, 20:32

                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                        Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                        T Offline
                        T Offline
                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 2 Aug 2022, 01:40 last edited by
                        #11

                        @George-K said in Taiwan:

                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                        Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                        The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                        But, while the US does provide support to Taiwan military, we also say that we support the "one China" policy.

                        Really, what the guy said in Twitter has been said for a long time. Though President Biden said recently that the US would militarily come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded

                        RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply 20 Sept 2022, 14:28
                        • T Offline
                          T Offline
                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 19 Sept 2022, 14:57 last edited by
                          #12

                          https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

                          G 1 Reply Last reply 19 Sept 2022, 15:22
                          • T taiwan_girl
                            19 Sept 2022, 14:57

                            https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

                            G Offline
                            G Offline
                            George K
                            wrote on 19 Sept 2022, 15:22 last edited by
                            #13

                            @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                            https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

                            =-=-=-=-=

                            Well, this clears it up.

                            According to a voiceover from Pelley during the interview that aired on Sunday evening, "after our interview, a White House official told us U.S. policy has not changed. Officially, the U.S. will not say whether American forces would defend Taiwan," Pelley continued. "But the commander in chief had a view of his own." No kidding.

                            Indeed, Biden does. And that "view of his own" has caused multiple headaches for the president's handlers in the White House who are forced to quickly do damage control when his words stray from their policies. That practice has caused somewhat understandable frustration for Biden, who is constantly being undermined by his own aides.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            • HoraceH Offline
                              HoraceH Offline
                              Horace
                              wrote on 19 Sept 2022, 15:31 last edited by
                              #14

                              @taiwan_girl how does a “both sides are equal” worldview hold up when you consider the China/Taiwan conflict? Or does it not apply to that situation?

                              Education is extremely important.

                              T 1 Reply Last reply 20 Sept 2022, 01:04
                              • HoraceH Horace
                                19 Sept 2022, 15:31

                                @taiwan_girl how does a “both sides are equal” worldview hold up when you consider the China/Taiwan conflict? Or does it not apply to that situation?

                                T Offline
                                T Offline
                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 01:04 last edited by
                                #15

                                @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply 20 Sept 2022, 01:55
                                • T taiwan_girl
                                  20 Sept 2022, 01:04

                                  @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                  So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                  One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                  HoraceH Offline
                                  HoraceH Offline
                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 01:55 last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                  @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                  So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                  One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                  Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

                                  Education is extremely important.

                                  T 1 Reply Last reply 20 Sept 2022, 13:24
                                  • HoraceH Horace
                                    20 Sept 2022, 01:55

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                    @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                    So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                    One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                    Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

                                    T Offline
                                    T Offline
                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @Horace said in Taiwan:

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                    @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                    So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                    One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                    Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

                                    Correct. I am just stating the facts.

                                    Just like the "meme" that is posted here often. "Prove me wrong!" LOL

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    • J Offline
                                      J Offline
                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 13:27 last edited by
                                      #18

                                      Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                      The only thing standing between China and Taiwan is the U.S. 7th fleet.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                      T 1 Reply Last reply 20 Sept 2022, 13:36
                                      • J Jolly
                                        20 Sept 2022, 13:27

                                        Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                        The only thing standing between China and Taiwan is the U.S. 7th fleet.

                                        T Offline
                                        T Offline
                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 13:36 last edited by
                                        #19

                                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                                        Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                        Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                                        Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

                                        J 1 Reply Last reply 21 Sept 2022, 02:18
                                        • T taiwan_girl
                                          2 Aug 2022, 01:40

                                          @George-K said in Taiwan:

                                          @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                                          Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                                          The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                                          But, while the US does provide support to Taiwan military, we also say that we support the "one China" policy.

                                          Really, what the guy said in Twitter has been said for a long time. Though President Biden said recently that the US would militarily come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded

                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 14:28 last edited by Renauda
                                          #20

                                          @taiwan_girl

                                          The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                                          Strategic ambiguity reminds me of the Cold War military doctrine of “Flexible Response”’the US held in Europe against the USSR. Essentially it stated the US could choose the option of responding immediately to any Soviet aggression against NATO with tactical nuclear force. It was a counter to the then stated Soviet pledge not to be the first to deploy nuclear weapons in the event of conflict.

                                          Interesting essay on Strategic Ambiguity:

                                          https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/why-strategic-ambiguity-trumps-strategic-clarity-taiwan

                                          Elbows up!

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups