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  • G George K
    1 Aug 2022, 20:32

    @Jolly said in Taiwan:

    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 2 Aug 2022, 01:40 last edited by
    #11

    @George-K said in Taiwan:

    @Jolly said in Taiwan:

    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

    The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

    But, while the US does provide support to Taiwan military, we also say that we support the "one China" policy.

    Really, what the guy said in Twitter has been said for a long time. Though President Biden said recently that the US would militarily come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 19 Sept 2022, 14:57 last edited by
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      https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

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      • T taiwan_girl
        19 Sept 2022, 14:57

        https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

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        George K
        wrote on 19 Sept 2022, 15:22 last edited by
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        @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

        https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

        =-=-=-=-=

        Well, this clears it up.

        According to a voiceover from Pelley during the interview that aired on Sunday evening, "after our interview, a White House official told us U.S. policy has not changed. Officially, the U.S. will not say whether American forces would defend Taiwan," Pelley continued. "But the commander in chief had a view of his own." No kidding.

        Indeed, Biden does. And that "view of his own" has caused multiple headaches for the president's handlers in the White House who are forced to quickly do damage control when his words stray from their policies. That practice has caused somewhat understandable frustration for Biden, who is constantly being undermined by his own aides.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Horace
          wrote on 19 Sept 2022, 15:31 last edited by
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          @taiwan_girl how does a “both sides are equal” worldview hold up when you consider the China/Taiwan conflict? Or does it not apply to that situation?

          Education is extremely important.

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          • H Horace
            19 Sept 2022, 15:31

            @taiwan_girl how does a “both sides are equal” worldview hold up when you consider the China/Taiwan conflict? Or does it not apply to that situation?

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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 01:04 last edited by
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            @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

            So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

            One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

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            • T taiwan_girl
              20 Sept 2022, 01:04

              @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

              So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

              One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

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              Horace
              wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 01:55 last edited by
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              @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

              @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

              So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

              One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

              Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • H Horace
                20 Sept 2022, 01:55

                @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
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                @Horace said in Taiwan:

                @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

                Correct. I am just stating the facts.

                Just like the "meme" that is posted here often. "Prove me wrong!" LOL

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 13:27 last edited by
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                  Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                  The only thing standing between China and Taiwan is the U.S. 7th fleet.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly
                    20 Sept 2022, 13:27

                    Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                    The only thing standing between China and Taiwan is the U.S. 7th fleet.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 13:36 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                    Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                    Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                    Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

                    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply 21 Sept 2022, 02:18
                    • T taiwan_girl
                      2 Aug 2022, 01:40

                      @George-K said in Taiwan:

                      @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                      Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                      The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                      But, while the US does provide support to Taiwan military, we also say that we support the "one China" policy.

                      Really, what the guy said in Twitter has been said for a long time. Though President Biden said recently that the US would militarily come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 20 Sept 2022, 14:28 last edited by Renauda
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                      @taiwan_girl

                      The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                      Strategic ambiguity reminds me of the Cold War military doctrine of “Flexible Response”’the US held in Europe against the USSR. Essentially it stated the US could choose the option of responding immediately to any Soviet aggression against NATO with tactical nuclear force. It was a counter to the then stated Soviet pledge not to be the first to deploy nuclear weapons in the event of conflict.

                      Interesting essay on Strategic Ambiguity:

                      https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/why-strategic-ambiguity-trumps-strategic-clarity-taiwan

                      Elbows up!

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                      • T taiwan_girl
                        20 Sept 2022, 13:36

                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                        Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                        Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                        Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 21 Sept 2022, 02:18 last edited by
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                        @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                        Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                        Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                        Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

                        I'm saying Taiwan is independent as long as it has some backing from the Pacific assets of the U.S. The moment that China has an open pathway, they will take Taiwan in a heartbeat.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Copper
                          wrote on 21 Sept 2022, 14:59 last edited by Copper
                          #22

                          Which happens first?

                          China rules Taiwan.

                          Taiwan rules China.

                          I say it is a close call.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly
                            21 Sept 2022, 02:18

                            @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                            @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                            Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                            Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                            Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

                            I'm saying Taiwan is independent as long as it has some backing from the Pacific assets of the U.S. The moment that China has an open pathway, they will take Taiwan in a heartbeat.

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on 21 Sept 2022, 17:40 last edited by
                            #23

                            @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                            @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                            @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                            Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                            Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                            Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

                            I'm saying Taiwan is independent as long as it has some backing from the Pacific assets of the U.S. The moment that China has an open pathway, they will take Taiwan in a heartbeat.

                            Oh, that is for sure. Taiwan is a country of 22 million. Mainland China is a country of 1.4 Billion.

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 21 Sept 2022, 18:47 last edited by
                              #24

                              TG, love the new avatar!!! 😁

                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

                              T 1 Reply Last reply 22 Sept 2022, 23:56
                              • T taiwan_girl
                                21 Sept 2022, 17:40

                                @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                                Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                                Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

                                I'm saying Taiwan is independent as long as it has some backing from the Pacific assets of the U.S. The moment that China has an open pathway, they will take Taiwan in a heartbeat.

                                Oh, that is for sure. Taiwan is a country of 22 million. Mainland China is a country of 1.4 Billion.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 21 Sept 2022, 21:31 last edited by
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                                @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                Taiwan is a country of 22 million. Mainland China is a country of 1.4 Billion.

                                Approximately 120 Thousand 19th century British ruled 287 Million Indians

                                Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply 21 Sept 2022, 22:51
                                • CopperC Copper
                                  21 Sept 2022, 21:31

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                  Taiwan is a country of 22 million. Mainland China is a country of 1.4 Billion.

                                  Approximately 120 Thousand 19th century British ruled 287 Million Indians

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 21 Sept 2022, 22:51 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                  #26

                                  @Copper said in Taiwan:

                                  Approximately 120 Thousand 19th century British ruled 287 Million Indians

                                  Actually, a much smaller number of Brits did the ruling. Most Britons were busy having our faces ground into the dirt along with everybody else.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • MikM Mik
                                    21 Sept 2022, 18:47

                                    TG, love the new avatar!!! 😁

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 22 Sept 2022, 23:56 last edited by
                                    #27

                                    @Mik said in Taiwan:

                                    TG, love the new avatar!!! 😁

                                    You were the inspiration!!! :couple_with_heart:

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                                    • AxtremusA Away
                                      AxtremusA Away
                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on 13 Oct 2022, 13:46 last edited by
                                      #28

                                      China-Taiwan: Can a tech billionaire create a civilian fighting force?
                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63196623

                                      "... a retired tech billionaire in Taipei, white-haired and bespectacled, called the island's media to a press conference to tell them he was pledging one billion Taiwan dollars (£28m; $32m) to create a civilian army."

                                      Also mentioned in the article:
                                      ...
                                      Taiwan's army has shrunk since the 1990s and the government has reduced mandatory service over the years - from two years to four months. There's now an active debate about extending it. For the first time in decades, polls show a majority in favour.
                                      ...

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 13 Oct 2022, 17:21 last edited by
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                                        It’s a very good idea to show a nation prepared to fight. That probably does more for them than American saber rattling.

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on 14 Oct 2022, 02:53 last edited by
                                          #30

                                          When I was in high school and college, we had to train with guns, though we never shot them. We had to learn to open them up, clean them, close them, know how to hold them, march in formation, etc.

                                          I am pretty sure we would have been just a "speed bump" if the mainland Chinese invaded at that time. 555

                                          JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply 14 Oct 2022, 04:03
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