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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #1

    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-will-start-a-just-war-if-us-troops-return-to-taiwan-state-affiliated-media-warns/ar-BB19o1Rz

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-will-start-a-just-war-if-us-troops-return-to-taiwan-state-affiliated-media-warns/ar-BB19o1Rz

      taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
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      #2

      @Jolly Interesting article. Thanks for bringing attention to it.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #3

        I don't see what good returning forces to Taiwan would do. It won't be a land war.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          I don't see what good returning forces to Taiwan would do. It won't be a land war.

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          taiwan_girl
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          #4

          @Mik I dont think that the US would put troops in Taiwan, but if they did, I think it would be just to say, "If you do anything to Taiwan, you are doing it to the US"

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            #5

            (https://news.yahoo.com/were-going-to-lose-fast-us-air-force-held-a-war-game-that-started-with-a-chinese-biological-attack-170003936.html)

            Interesting article.

            I had actually seen a summary of this at work a couple of month ago.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              #6

              Well, we've already had the biological attack (probably unintentional) and we saw what happened.

              China has really built up their military capability and America helped finance it...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • CopperC Offline
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                #7

                Will they pull the trigger when they are ready or before?

                The longer they wait to more surprise they lose.

                If I was them, I would go as soon as possible.

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                • CopperC Copper

                  Will they pull the trigger when they are ready or before?

                  The longer they wait to more surprise they lose.

                  If I was them, I would go as soon as possible.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @copper said in Taiwan:

                  Will they pull the trigger when they are ready or before?

                  The longer they wait to more surprise they lose.

                  If I was them, I would go as soon as possible.

                  The Chinese will calculate advantage. We grow weaker, they grow stronger. They'll know when.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-will-start-a-just-war-if-us-troops-return-to-taiwan-state-affiliated-media-warns/ar-BB19o1Rz

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #9

                    @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                    Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                        Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        #11

                        @George-K said in Taiwan:

                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                        Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                        The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                        But, while the US does provide support to Taiwan military, we also say that we support the "one China" policy.

                        Really, what the guy said in Twitter has been said for a long time. Though President Biden said recently that the US would militarily come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded

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                          #12

                          https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                            https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-tensions/Biden-U.S.-forces-would-defend-Taiwan-if-China-invades

                            =-=-=-=-=

                            Well, this clears it up.

                            According to a voiceover from Pelley during the interview that aired on Sunday evening, "after our interview, a White House official told us U.S. policy has not changed. Officially, the U.S. will not say whether American forces would defend Taiwan," Pelley continued. "But the commander in chief had a view of his own." No kidding.

                            Indeed, Biden does. And that "view of his own" has caused multiple headaches for the president's handlers in the White House who are forced to quickly do damage control when his words stray from their policies. That practice has caused somewhat understandable frustration for Biden, who is constantly being undermined by his own aides.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              @taiwan_girl how does a “both sides are equal” worldview hold up when you consider the China/Taiwan conflict? Or does it not apply to that situation?

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                @taiwan_girl how does a “both sides are equal” worldview hold up when you consider the China/Taiwan conflict? Or does it not apply to that situation?

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                                @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                  So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                  One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                  @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                  So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                  One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                  Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                    @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                    So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                    One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                    Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

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                                    @Horace said in Taiwan:

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Taiwan:

                                    @Horace I think it is pretty obvious that in everything but "politic speak", Taiwan and mainland China are two separate countries. Kind of like UK and USA - common language and close common culture, but two countries.

                                    So, Taiwan and China are equal when it is thought that they are two independent countries. They are not equal in terms of economic, military power, population, etc.

                                    One of the mis-arguments made by mainland China is that "Taiwan has always been part of China." Not true. There are numerous historical data which indicate otherwise.

                                    Right, so those who believe Taiwan is Chinese property are deluded by their pro-China bias. But those who believe Taiwan is justly independent, base that belief in facts.

                                    Correct. I am just stating the facts.

                                    Just like the "meme" that is posted here often. "Prove me wrong!" LOL

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
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                                      Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                      The only thing standing between China and Taiwan is the U.S. 7th fleet.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                        The only thing standing between China and Taiwan is the U.S. 7th fleet.

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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                                        Possession is 9/10's of the law.

                                        Not sure what you mean? Are you saying that Taiwan is independent?

                                        Mainland China does not (and has not) really had any direct influence over Taiwan for more than 125 years, and even then, it was minimal.

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                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                          @George-K said in Taiwan:

                                          @Jolly said in Taiwan:

                                          Maybe President Joe will just give it to them...

                                          The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                                          But, while the US does provide support to Taiwan military, we also say that we support the "one China" policy.

                                          Really, what the guy said in Twitter has been said for a long time. Though President Biden said recently that the US would militarily come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded

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                                          Renauda
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                                          #20

                                          @taiwan_girl

                                          The US has had a long time policy called "strategic ambiguity", where we basically say that we want to maintain the status quo. My what I know, this supposed to China a pause because they (China) dont know what the US will do if China makes invasion plans, etc.

                                          Strategic ambiguity reminds me of the Cold War military doctrine of “Flexible Response”’the US held in Europe against the USSR. Essentially it stated the US could choose the option of responding immediately to any Soviet aggression against NATO with tactical nuclear force. It was a counter to the then stated Soviet pledge not to be the first to deploy nuclear weapons in the event of conflict.

                                          Interesting essay on Strategic Ambiguity:

                                          https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/why-strategic-ambiguity-trumps-strategic-clarity-taiwan

                                          Elbows up!

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