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How about that market?

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    Mik
    wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 15:56 last edited by Mik 6 May 2020, 15:57
    #22

    I think a Biden presidency would be one of simply trying to be presidential and not to embarrass himself. They chose him for just that reason - to tamp down the progressive wing. There would be a signature achievement but it wouldn't actually amount to much, just something easy to pass and claim victory, most likely relating to Obamacare reforms.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Horace
      wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 16:02 last edited by
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      I agree with Mik that Biden would be a non-issue for the market.

      I do not agree with anybody who believes that presidents by definition have no meaningful effect on the stock market.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 17:10 last edited by
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        I for one have stopped evaluating politicians in terms of how much I like their policies. I evaluate them in terms of who does the least amount of damage relative to the "null" option of doing nothing. A politician who doesn't do much and has no big goals is usually a good politician.

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        • K Klaus
          5 Jun 2020, 17:10

          I for one have stopped evaluating politicians in terms of how much I like their policies. I evaluate them in terms of who does the least amount of damage relative to the "null" option of doing nothing. A politician who doesn't do much and has no big goals is usually a good politician.

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          Horace
          wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 17:17 last edited by
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          @Klaus said in How about that market?:

          I for one have stopped evaluating politicians in terms of how much I like their policies. I evaluate them in terms of who does the least amount of damage relative to the "null" option of doing nothing. A politician who doesn't do much and has no big goals is usually a good politician.

          That would be a decent ball park definition of the difference between the left and the right. And your preference would be for the right.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 19:08 last edited by
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              89th
              wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 21:10 last edited by
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              Haha predictable.

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                5 Jun 2020, 21:10

                Haha predictable.

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                George K
                wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 21:38 last edited by
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                @89th said in How about that market?:

                Haha predictable.

                Yeah, of course it was.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 5 Jun 2020, 23:29 last edited by
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                  The exception would prove the rule, if there would ever happen to be one.

                  I won’t hold my breath.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 05:19 last edited by
                    #30

                    Oops

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      6 Jun 2020, 05:19

                      Oops

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 09:59 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in How about that market?:

                      Oops

                      Yeah, saw that one. It’s an unusual, fast changing situation. At this point, I quite believe that there is no malice, and the BLS is doing the best it can.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 10:35 last edited by
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                        Yeah, for sure.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          6 Jun 2020, 05:19

                          Oops

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                          Loki
                          wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 11:46 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in How about that market?:

                          Oops

                          God that article sucks in so many ways. What a disgrace.

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                            89th
                            wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 11:50 last edited by
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                            Now we just need an article blaming common core math.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 13:01 last edited by
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                              What am I missing here?

                              The percentage they reported was an error. I get that.

                              But the absolutions number of jobs did increase, right?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                6 Jun 2020, 13:01

                                What am I missing here?

                                The percentage they reported was an error. I get that.

                                But the absolutions number of jobs did increase, right?

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 13:48 last edited by Horace 6 Jun 2020, 13:53
                                #36

                                @George-K said in How about that market?:

                                What am I missing here?

                                The percentage they reported was an error. I get that.

                                But the absolute number of jobs did increase, right?

                                Yes. The real numbers were about half as much of an improvement as the wrong numbers were.

                                Edit: I mean the difference between predictions and the real numbers was about half as good. I'm not sure about absolute job numbers, but unemployment did go up.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 13:52 last edited by
                                  #37

                                  “You can 100% discount the possibility that Trump got to the BLS. Not 98% discount, not 99.9% discount, but 100% discount,” tweeted Jason Furman, the former top economist for former president Barack Obama. “BLS has 2,400 career staff of enormous integrity and one political appointee with no scope to change this number.”

                                  I think it's a legitimate concern that Trump falsified these job numbers.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 15:04 last edited by
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                                    I don’t.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 15:17 last edited by
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                                      I can understand how a rigorous risk analysis of all the factors and potentials involved would indicate a higher chance of Trump usurping the presidency after a legitimate election loss, than Trump fudging the jobs report.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        Loki
                                        wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 15:34 last edited by
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                                        The market had baked in the correction Friday. The story is bogus.

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                                        • H Horace
                                          6 Jun 2020, 15:17

                                          I can understand how a rigorous risk analysis of all the factors and potentials involved would indicate a higher chance of Trump usurping the presidency after a legitimate election loss, than Trump fudging the jobs report.

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 15:50 last edited by
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                                          @Horace said in How about that market?:

                                          I can understand how a rigorous risk analysis of all the factors and potentials involved would indicate a higher chance of Trump usurping the presidency after a legitimate election loss, than Trump fudging the jobs report.

                                          Yep. Both on the incentives and the mechanisms available.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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