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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Shouldn't be that way.

    With the way the internet and media now work, stories are not vetted and travel through the public at the speed of light. To make a mistake is bad, but to intentionally plant a false story should be criminal.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    Shouldn't be that way.

    With the way the internet and media now work, stories are not vetted and travel through the public at the speed of light. To make a mistake is bad, but to intentionally plant a false story should be criminal.

    Maybe it's one of those alternative facts that are all the rage nowadays?

    I was only joking

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      #174

      Kinda hard to find an alternative fact on this one.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG George K

        @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

        There seem to be some questions as to whether there really is a pregnant 10-Year-Old in Ohio.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers#10_years_old

        According to Wiki, a 10 year old pregnancy is unusual. Since 1835, there have been 101 reported cases. About 30 of them in the United States. It wouldn't be a surprise, of course, if there were more.

        So, in the last 190 years, there have been 30 reported cases in the US of a 10 year old pregnancy, and this one pops up within a month after Roe is overturned.

        Bosch: "I don't believe in coincidences."

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        #175

        @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

        @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

        There seem to be some questions as to whether there really is a pregnant 10-Year-Old in Ohio.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers#10_years_old

        According to Wiki, a 10 year old pregnancy is unusual. Since 1835, there have been 101 reported cases. About 30 of them in the United States. It wouldn't be a surprise, of course, if there were more.

        So, in the last 190 years, there have been 30 reported cases in the US of a 10 year old pregnancy, and this one pops up within a month after Roe is overturned.

        Bosch: "I don't believe in coincidences."

        Now, add on the fact that the mysterious “abuse doctor” did not report the case to the police as required by law and has not come forward themselves with the claim AND this particular abortionist in the Indiana has been interviewed for years by national media (why would the NYT interview a small town OBGYN in 2017 about Trump’s policies regarding abortion?) and last month was predicting this same bizarre scenario in an article before the official ruling? Add remember, even with the Ohio ban, all they need is an OBGYN to state verify that carrying the child presents an a elevated health risk to the girl. Even I could tell you that! And I’m not a biologist (though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express)

        The Brad

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          Pen and a Phone

          President Biden is planning to outline additional steps aimed at bolstering abortion rights on Friday morning, two weeks after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, as many Democrats have called on him to respond with bolder and more urgent action.
          Biden, joined by Vice President Harris, plans to deliver a speech from the Roosevelt Room at the White House on his efforts to protect access to reproductive health-care services.
          He is also planning to sign an executive order that, according to a statement released late Thursday by the White House, will attempt to safeguard access to abortion medication and emergency contraception, protect patient privacy and bolster legal options for those seeking access to such services.
          The order directs Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra to submit a report within 30 days that would address many of those items. Becerra is also charged with finding ways to increase public outreach so that those seeking reproductive health-care services, including abortion, know how to access them.

          In a nod to some of the legal battles that could come, Biden is also directing the attorney general and the White House counsel to convene private pro bono attorneys, bar associations, and public interest organizations to encourage legal representation for those seeking or offering reproductive health services.

          “Such representation could include protecting the right to travel out of state to seek medical care,” according to the White House statement.
          Legal assistance has been a chief concern among some abortion rights advocates. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-Mich.) urged the Biden administration on Thursday to “pull out all the stops,” point out legal obstacles that could prevent Michigan residents from seeking services in Canada or from bringing medication back from across the border.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Yep, with all the problems this country has - inflation, energy production, healthcare, lack of affordable cars, infrastructure, housing prices, China, Russia - THIS issue deserves his full attention.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              If we ever have a group of mothers in this country who would have aborted if it were legal, we should make a note to poll them, some years down the line, about whether they wish they'd been able to abort. I guess you could also ask the kid, but that wouldn't be fair.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                OK, so his 'bold response' is to order a report that tell him how to do this. End of quote. Repeat this line.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #180

                  It's horseshit and mirrors. Much of the actual stuff concerns PHI and making sure the government keeps close watch on sale of information such as names, addresses, etc.

                  Joe? That's already illegal. It's that HIPPO law, Joe. You like hippos, don't you? Want one for Christmas?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Away
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                    Mik
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                    #181

                    I just wonder when Xi moves on Taiwan.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • AxtremusA Away
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                      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-protecting-access-to-reproductive-health-care-services/

                      "FACT SHEET: President Biden to Sign Executive Order Protecting Access to Reproductive Health Care Services"

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        #183

                        How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                        WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

                        The Brad

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          When you've lost WaPo...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                            WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

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                            George K
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                            #185

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                            How about a Fact-check instead of a fact sheet?

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

                            WaPo states the 10 year old rape story is extremely difficult to corroborate and points out a couple of potential flaws with the story…

                            Someone tell the White House.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Horace
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                              Here’s Jon Stewart and a group of True Believers opining on the ruling.

                              Link to video

                              Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Copper
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                                What to do now?

                                Stop killing babies.

                                An apology wouldn't go amiss.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  Here’s Jon Stewart and a group of True Believers opining on the ruling.

                                  Link to video

                                  Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

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                                  George K
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                                  @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.

                                  One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.

                                  Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    #189

                                    Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

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                                      George K
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                                      @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                      OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                                      Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

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                                        @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                        Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                        There's a fine line between writing and interpreting.
                                        I would think that how a law is interpreted by the SCOTUS would be thought by some to almost amount to writing it, or rewriting it.

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                          OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                                          Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

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                                          @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          Up to the legislature to write the law. That ain't the court's job.

                                          OK, so, let's assume that congress passes a law codifying the "right" to abortion.

                                          Would the current 6-3 character of the court overturn that law? My guess is that they wouldn't.

                                          I don't think they would.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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