Texas shooting.
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I have been paying more attention to local school funding and bond proposal discussions in recent years. There are no lack of proposals to beef up school security, bringing in updated security-conscious design concepts and such, along with the architects’ estimates telling you how much each element of these school building updates will cost. (Spoiler alert: they are not cheap.) Still, even if you secure all the building, kids still have to “come to school” in the morning, “leave the school” after the school day is done, go to the outdoor field for sports and physical education classes … still lots of outdoor, near-the-school concentrations of school children being exposed multiple times every day. Building a security bubble around the school is a tough problem to solve.
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@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
Back in the 1970s we bitched and protested because they installed a chain link fence around our high school. It was meant to stop students from leaving school and crossing the road during the lunch hour to go to their cars and smoke. We were livid! We called it a prison, police state, etc.
So, I don't take putting armed guards in the school lightly. Like I said the idea sickens me, but how else can we protect the schools?
We know that trying to take the guns out of circulation is just not possible. Access to anything is possible to anyone willing to do whatever it takes to get something.
It's like we have no other choice at this time to really protect the schools.
It does nothing for workplaces, or public events and attractions.
It's a depressing thought, and I hate to think what it's going to do to children's view of the world.
It seems to me that something is fundamentally broken, in the US particularly, with regard to people's views of firearms.
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Yeah, speaking as a pro-Second bun, I am coming ever closer to accepting that at the least we must amend the Second Amendment to address this. We sure as hell can't rely on the People to do anything. They're good at hand wringing and sending their thoughts n' prayers; that's about it.
As others have said, this can't go on. We can't continue to pretend there's not a problem. Someone spoke of Constitutional rights; what about the Constitutional rights of the formerly alive, who had every reason to anticipate living out their lives, who are now dead by gunshot? Continuing to not address this terrible issue is immoral -- severely so.
And every proposed solution has problems.
Maybe a bipartisan Congressional committee to bat this around, see if they can work up a compromise -- something that both extreme positions can contemplate without losing their shit.
I don't see any other solution.
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Too many examples that people can see and understand. It's an achievable thing, it moves the country, and that is a heck of a lot of power to salivate over, if you're a hopeless, angry, and mentally ill young man. It only takes one out of tens of millions.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Yeah, that's the thing. Both positions must stop with the line-in-the-sand bullshit and start thinking more cooperatively.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
Ok then, I'm not clear on the gun legislation introduced by the Dems and blocked by the GOP. I understand that such legislation exists, but I'm not clear on it. Probably a hundred things in a hundred different locations. I'm sure it's complicated. But I'm clear that those sorts of public debates are not very tenable politically for those opposing gun control, and become less tenable every time another one of these things happens. This is one of those things that could even trump the economy, at the voting booth, if someone was convinced their vote would contribute to more gun control to help end this stuff.
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The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
The Left has offered nothing.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
Ok then, I'm not clear on the gun legislation introduced by the Dems and blocked by the GOP. I understand that such legislation exists, but I'm not clear on it. Probably a hundred things in a hundred different locations. I'm sure it's complicated. But I'm clear that those sorts of public debates are not very tenable politically for those opposing gun control, and become less tenable every time another one of these things happens. This is one of those things that could even trump the economy, at the voting booth, if someone was convinced their vote would contribute to more gun control to help end this stuff.
Yeah I have often asked what specifically are they proposing and, more specifically, how would it have prevented the ~10 or so school shootings in the last decade. I'd love to know the actual implementation plan as I'd be fine with anything that is pragmatic across the spectrum.
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@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
I believe this school had armed guards, who didn't shoot at the perp as he entered the school carrying a gun. At least that's what I read...I haven't verified that.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over
There have been as many proposals to help prevent school shootings as there are school districts.
Many of those proposals have probably saved lives.
Just about all of those proposals have involved the left and right working together to help make children safer.
Why keep screaming that the other side is demonic?
You can find a demon to scream about, but those idiots are not the mainstream.
If you don't know how to use Google to find these stories, ask Jolly to be your Google mommy.
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@89th said in Texas shooting.:
@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
I believe this school had armed guards, who didn't shoot at the perp as he entered the school carrying a gun. At least that's what I read...I haven't verified that.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/texas-elementary-school-shooting-uvalde/
After shooting his grandmother, the gunman fled in her truck as she called police, Abbott said. He crashed near the school, about two minutes away from his grandmother’s home. Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw said at the press conference that the shooter approached a back door of the school and was confronted by a school resource officer who "engaged him at that time" but "the subject was able to make it into the school." It's unclear whether the school officer and the gunman exchanged gunfire.
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Mental illness laws wouldn’t have helped in this case either.
It’s easy to say someone was mentally ill after doing something like this. But for every million weird, loner kids only 1 may actually do something like this.
I don’t see how you preemptively pick them out.
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@Copper said in Texas shooting.:
If you don't know how to use Google to find these stories, ask Jolly to be your Google mommy.
Well, this kid bought the weapons he used on his 18th birthday. I wouldn't want to be on the anti-regulation side of any discussion about whether such purchases should be regulated more. Unless you're interested in a political death on that hill.
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Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
