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  • A Axtremus
    6 May 2022, 15:06

    @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

    1. The new baby does not have the same DNA as the mother. It is its own distinct person.
    2. If the baby can live outside of the womb, is it ethical to kill it inside of the womb? If not, the argument resolves to 23 weeks (youngest preemie to survive) for even the most ardent abortionist.

    As medical science progresses, it is inevitable that the age of viability will lower. Abortionists are left with less and less ground to stand on...

    The “viability” argument as presented today is problematic. If a “viable” preemie is truly “viable” then simply induce early labor or C-section any post-“viable” preemie from its unwilling (or unfit) host who is seeking an abortion then transfer the preemie’s custody to the state’s adoption agency and you’re done. But instead the anti-abortion crowd often choose to insist that the unwilling (or unfit) host of the fetuses to carry the fetuses to term. If you want to be realistic about this, if a preemie does not have a realistic alternative outside its original womb to survive, than it’s not really “viable”.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 6 May 2022, 17:43 last edited by
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    @Axtremus said in Roe Overturned?:

    @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

    1. The new baby does not have the same DNA as the mother. It is its own distinct person.
    2. If the baby can live outside of the womb, is it ethical to kill it inside of the womb? If not, the argument resolves to 23 weeks (youngest preemie to survive) for even the most ardent abortionist.

    As medical science progresses, it is inevitable that the age of viability will lower. Abortionists are left with less and less ground to stand on...

    The “viability” argument as presented today is problematic. If a “viable” preemie is truly “viable” then simply induce early labor or C-section any post-“viable” preemie from its unwilling (or unfit) host who is seeking an abortion then transfer the preemie’s custody to the state’s adoption agency and you’re done. But instead the anti-abortion crowd often choose to insist that the unwilling (or unfit) host of the fetuses to carry the fetuses to term. If you want to be realistic about this, if a preemie does not have a realistic alternative outside its original womb to survive, than it’s not really “viable”.

    My body, my choice!

    I laugh in your face, inducible boy! 🤰 🤰 🤰 🤣 🤣 🤣

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Copper
      wrote on 7 May 2022, 18:55 last edited by
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        George K
        wrote on 7 May 2022, 20:42 last edited by
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        One of the Senate's dimmest bulbs:

        Best response:

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • G George K
          7 May 2022, 20:42

          One of the Senate's dimmest bulbs:

          Best response:

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          Horace
          wrote on 7 May 2022, 22:16 last edited by
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          @George-K said in Roe Overturned?:

          One of the Senate's dimmest bulbs:

          Best response:

          Did anybody mention 20 years of child support?

          Education is extremely important.

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            George K
            wrote on 10 May 2022, 00:13 last edited by
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            SCOTUS comments:

            On the basis of elements such as these, appellant and some amici argue that the woman’s right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree. . .

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            This is not Dobbs. This is Blackmun's opinion in Roe.

            In other words, the original language in Roe, otherwise held sacred by the left, allowed for restrictions on abortion. So how did Roe become in practice a writ for unlimited abortion on demand? The “exception” for the preservation of the life and health of the mother became the loophole through which abortion became virtually unlimited, as it is not difficult to find a doctor who will “find” that the “mental health” of a woman requires an abortion. (This is one reason why many European nations, which have stricter abortion regulations than the new Mississippi law will impose, require a second opinion before an abortion is granted outside the first 14 weeks.) It was a short step from this loophole to the 1992 Casey decision’s new but undefined “undue burden” standard that made Roe’s ambiguous language obsolete.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 10 May 2022, 04:06 last edited by
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              Woke intersectionality.

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              Please love yourself.

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                89th
                wrote on 10 May 2022, 10:50 last edited by
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                My planet, my choice.

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                • G George K
                  10 May 2022, 00:13

                  SCOTUS comments:

                  On the basis of elements such as these, appellant and some amici argue that the woman’s right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree. . .

                  click to show

                  This is not Dobbs. This is Blackmun's opinion in Roe.

                  In other words, the original language in Roe, otherwise held sacred by the left, allowed for restrictions on abortion. So how did Roe become in practice a writ for unlimited abortion on demand? The “exception” for the preservation of the life and health of the mother became the loophole through which abortion became virtually unlimited, as it is not difficult to find a doctor who will “find” that the “mental health” of a woman requires an abortion. (This is one reason why many European nations, which have stricter abortion regulations than the new Mississippi law will impose, require a second opinion before an abortion is granted outside the first 14 weeks.) It was a short step from this loophole to the 1992 Casey decision’s new but undefined “undue burden” standard that made Roe’s ambiguous language obsolete.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 10 May 2022, 11:22 last edited by
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                  @George-K I would have thought that was well known.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    10 May 2022, 11:22

                    @George-K I would have thought that was well known.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 10 May 2022, 11:28 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:

                    @George-K I would have thought that was well known.

                    Somehow, it never gets mentioned in the absolutist discussion on abortion. Besides, it was just a bunch of unelected old white men, which also never gets mentioned.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 10 May 2022, 11:32 last edited by
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                      TuCa & the Christians...

                      Link to video

                      While it's a bit over the top, there's a nugget of Truth in there...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        George K
                        wrote on 10 May 2022, 12:26 last edited by
                        #166

                        Chicago's mayor issues a "Call to arms."

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 10 May 2022, 12:29 last edited by Jolly 5 Oct 2022, 12:29
                          #167

                          Damn insurrectionist!

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • J Jolly
                            10 May 2022, 12:29

                            Damn insurrectionist!

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                            George K
                            wrote on 10 May 2022, 12:35 last edited by
                            #168

                            @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                            Damn insurrectionist!

                            Nah. We have strict gun laws in Chicago. Fear not!

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              10 May 2022, 12:26

                              Chicago's mayor issues a "Call to arms."

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 10 May 2022, 15:02 last edited by
                              #169

                              @George-K said in Roe Overturned?:

                              Chicago's mayor issues a "Call to arms."

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 10 May 2022, 18:10 last edited by
                                #170

                                Nothing like balls and strikes...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • J Jolly
                                  10 May 2022, 11:32

                                  TuCa & the Christians...

                                  Link to video

                                  While it's a bit over the top, there's a nugget of Truth in there...

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 10 May 2022, 18:27 last edited by
                                  #171

                                  @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                  TuCa & the Christians...

                                  Link to video

                                  While it's a bit over the top, there's a nugget of Truth in there...

                                  To summarize; Modern Leftists hate Christianity not because it is oppressive, but because they are...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    10 May 2022, 18:27

                                    @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                    TuCa & the Christians...

                                    Link to video

                                    While it's a bit over the top, there's a nugget of Truth in there...

                                    To summarize; Modern Leftists hate Christianity not because it is oppressive, but because they are...

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 10 May 2022, 19:05 last edited by
                                    #172

                                    @Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

                                    To summarize; Modern Leftists hate Christianity not because it is oppressive, but because they are...

                                    But this is a Christian country.

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 10 May 2022, 19:25 last edited by Copper 5 Oct 2022, 19:25
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                                      Total estimated abortions for 1965-2018

                                      black, non-Hispanic: 18,700,000 (42% of current population)

                                      Total US black population 2020 41.6 million

                                      Without abortion add 50% to the black population

                                      Don't the dems understand those are votes?

                                      https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortion_by_race.html

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 10 May 2022, 19:41 last edited by
                                        #174

                                        The white overseers wouldn't be in charge.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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