Roe Overturned?

[LuFins Dad]

I will make allowances for medical necessities. I will make allowances for victims of rape. For everyone else, ship up about your rights and consider your responsibilities.

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad said in Roe Overturned?:

I will make allowances for medical necessities. I will make allowances for victims of rape.

Yeah, that would sustain some semblance of "safe, legal, and rare."

[jon-nyc]

If someone truly considers the fetus to be a human with rights then the rape and incest exception makes no sense.

[bachophile]

@jon-nyc as also ectopic pregnancy

[Larry]

"WE MUST PROTECT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE!!!"

1. Birth control pills are extremely reliable, and readily available.
2. Morning after pills are extremely reliable, and readily available.

This means that unless the woman is dumber than dirt, most all women are fully aware that the way you get pregnant is to let a guy fuck you bareback, and they can CHOOSE to not get pregnant by spending a few bucks ahead of time on birth control pills.

But let's say the woman is an irresponsible asshat, and she wakes up the next day and says "oh shit - I got drunk and let Bobby fuck me last night, and I'm not on birth control pilks!! She can CHOOSE to get a morning after pill.

But you say "YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT RAPE??"

1. If I walked up behind you and beat the hell out of you, where is the first place you'll go? To see a doctor.
2. If you are a woman and you get raped, are you not going to go to the doctor?
3. Less than 1% of abortions are due to rape and incest

But let's say the woman is such a self centered, irresponsible little shit that she just can't be bothered with stupid stuff like TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS AND DECISIONS.... She refuses to plan ahead, and she refuses to do anything after the fact.... and boom - a month later she misses her period. "Oops!! I might be pregnant! I need 8 more months to decide if I want a baby or not....."

Meanwhile, it's only been a month... It's just a lump of cells right now. It's tiny, easy to remove... Nah, I haven't decided yet. .. another full month goes by, the self centered, irresponsible little shit STILL can't decide, and now that lump of cells has fingers and toes. Another full month goes by. The irresponsible, self centered little bitch STILL says she can't decide... meanwhile, the former clump of cells has a head, a face, hands and feet, a butt..... in another couple of weeks it will be able to suck its thumb, laugh, smile, cry...

And all of a sudden, self centered, irresponsible little bitch decides she doesn't want a baby. Tell me - what other life altering situation gives you THREE FUCKING MONTHS TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT, AS WELL AS A BEFORE AND AFTER SOLUTION TO AVOID IT ALL TOGETHER?????

FUCK her "right to choose". This isn't about choice, it's about enabling self centered, irresponsible little shits for political gain.

[Larry]

Oh - and for what it's worth....

A majority of abortions are black women aborting black babies.
But the majority of women screaming about "a woman's right to choose" and fighting o continue killing babies are white leftwing women.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:

If someone truly considers the fetus to be a human with rights then the rape and incest exception makes no sense.

I do try to balance my ideals with pragmatism. Taking an all or nothing approach will likely result in nothing. Under current laws there were about 600K abortions in the us last year. If medical and rape exceptions are necessary to get a broader ban against abortion as after the fact birth control, and that gets those numbers down to say 100k abortions? That’s 500,000 babies you save per year.

Of course, it is absolutely a necessity to revamp and improve our adoption and foster care systems as well as support systems for poor young mothers and their children…

You want Universal Healthcare? Want more expansive welfare? Fine. Ban abortion as birth control and get your ideology out of our school curriculum and it’s all yours.

[Copper]

@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:

If someone truly considers the fetus to be a human with rights then the rape and incest exception makes no sense.

Yes, obviously

OK, so why does this argument persist?

Because if you don't agree with the idea that abortion is OK in the case of rape or incest, then the liberal has clearance to scream and yell as much as they want.

If you do agree that abortion is OK in the case of rape or incest then a brief period of civil discourse might ensue.

At least that seems like it's practical effect to me.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Roe Overturned?:

@Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:

1. The new baby does not have the same DNA as the mother. It is its own distinct person.
2. If the baby can live outside of the womb, is it ethical to kill it inside of the womb? If not, the argument resolves to 23 weeks (youngest preemie to survive) for even the most ardent abortionist.

As medical science progresses, it is inevitable that the age of viability will lower. Abortionists are left with less and less ground to stand on...

The “viability” argument as presented today is problematic. If a “viable” preemie is truly “viable” then simply induce early labor or C-section any post-“viable” preemie from its unwilling (or unfit) host who is seeking an abortion then transfer the preemie’s custody to the state’s adoption agency and you’re done. But instead the anti-abortion crowd often choose to insist that the unwilling (or unfit) host of the fetuses to carry the fetuses to term. If you want to be realistic about this, if a preemie does not have a realistic alternative outside its original womb to survive, than it’s not really “viable”.

My body, my choice!

I laugh in your face, inducible boy!

[Copper]

[George K]

One of the Senate's dimmest bulbs:

Best response:

[Horace]

[George K]

SCOTUS comments:

On the basis of elements such as these, appellant and some amici argue that the woman’s right is absolute and that she is entitled to terminate her pregnancy at whatever time, in whatever way, and for whatever reason she alone chooses. With this we do not agree. . .

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This is not Dobbs. This is Blackmun's opinion in Roe.

In other words, the original language in Roe, otherwise held sacred by the left, allowed for restrictions on abortion. So how did Roe become in practice a writ for unlimited abortion on demand? The “exception” for the preservation of the life and health of the mother became the loophole through which abortion became virtually unlimited, as it is not difficult to find a doctor who will “find” that the “mental health” of a woman requires an abortion. (This is one reason why many European nations, which have stricter abortion regulations than the new Mississippi law will impose, require a second opinion before an abortion is granted outside the first 14 weeks.) It was a short step from this loophole to the 1992 Casey decision’s new but undefined “undue burden” standard that made Roe’s ambiguous language obsolete.

[Aqua Letifer]

Woke intersectionality.

[89th]

My planet, my choice.

[jon-nyc]

@George-K I would have thought that was well known.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:

@George-K I would have thought that was well known.

Somehow, it never gets mentioned in the absolutist discussion on abortion. Besides, it was just a bunch of unelected old white men, which also never gets mentioned.

[Jolly]

TuCa & the Christians...

Link to video

While it's a bit over the top, there's a nugget of Truth in there...

[George K]

Chicago's mayor issues a "Call to arms."

[Jolly]

Damn insurrectionist!