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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/29/865816855/trump-says-u-s-will-withdraw-from-who-does-he-have-the-authority-to-do-it

    “ President Trump has announced that he is immediately halting the decades-long U.S. membership in the World Health Organization over its response to China's handling of the coronavirus epidemic.

    In a press briefing Friday at the White House, Trump said, "We will be today terminating our relationship with the World Health Organization and redirecting those funds to other worldwide and deserving urgent global public health needs."
    ...”

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #2

      Maybe the last proclamation on masks was the proverbial straw...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • 89th8 Offline
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        89th
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        My first thought was whether he even has the authority to do this.

        Actually my real first thought was that this was setting up an argument during the election that aims to focus blame on the WHO and others.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #4

          I guess everything is about the election now

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #5

            There are definitely problems with the WHO, but my concern is that sometimes it is easier (and better) to fix things from the inside when people can hear you, rather than try to fix from the outside when no one will listen to you.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              #6

              Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

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                Axtremus
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                #7

                @Jolly said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

                Either China or the other member countries who receive largesse from China may step up and take over the WHO. You can expect the same to happen to many more international organizations as the USA withdraw from more and more of them. When the USA leave an international organization, we leave a leadership vacuum, and the "next guy" will fill it ... that "next guy" right now is China.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Jolly said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                  Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

                  Either China or the other member countries who receive largesse from China may step up and take over the WHO. You can expect the same to happen to many more international organizations as the USA withdraw from more and more of them. When the USA leave an international organization, we leave a leadership vacuum, and the "next guy" will fill it ... that "next guy" right now is China.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by Copper
                  #8

                  @Axtremus said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                  @Jolly said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                  Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

                  Either China or the other member countries who receive largesse from China may step up and take over the WHO. You can expect the same to happen to many more international organizations as the USA withdraw from more and more of them. When the USA leave an international organization, we leave a leadership vacuum, and the "next guy" will fill it ... that "next guy" right now is China.

                  that "next guy" right now is China?

                  https://www.who.int/images/default-source/infographics/budget/top-20.jpg

                  alt text

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    @Axtremus said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                    @Jolly said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                    Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

                    Either China or the other member countries who receive largesse from China may step up and take over the WHO. You can expect the same to happen to many more international organizations as the USA withdraw from more and more of them. When the USA leave an international organization, we leave a leadership vacuum, and the "next guy" will fill it ... that "next guy" right now is China.

                    that "next guy" right now is China?

                    https://www.who.int/images/default-source/infographics/budget/top-20.jpg

                    alt text

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    @Copper said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                    @Axtremus said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                    @Jolly said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                    Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

                    Either China or the other member countries who receive largesse from China may step up and take over the WHO. You can expect the same to happen to many more international organizations as the USA withdraw from more and more of them. When the USA leave an international organization, we leave a leadership vacuum, and the "next guy" will fill it ... that "next guy" right now is China.

                    that "next guy" right now is China?

                    https://www.who.int/images/default-source/infographics/budget/top-20.jpg

                    alt text

                    Look at the assessed contributions.

                    Holy moly!

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      @Axtremus said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                      @Jolly said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                      Maybe the Chinese will step up and replace the funding.

                      Either China or the other member countries who receive largesse from China may step up and take over the WHO. You can expect the same to happen to many more international organizations as the USA withdraw from more and more of them. When the USA leave an international organization, we leave a leadership vacuum, and the "next guy" will fill it ... that "next guy" right now is China.

                      that "next guy" right now is China?

                      https://www.who.int/images/default-source/infographics/budget/top-20.jpg

                      alt text

                      taiwan_girlT Offline
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                      @Copper said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                      that "next guy" right now is China?

                      Yes, I think for sure that China will increase their funding 1000+% as a way to show their nose at the US.

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                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        @Copper said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                        that "next guy" right now is China?

                        Yes, I think for sure that China will increase their funding 1000+% as a way to show their nose at the US.

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                        Loki
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                        @taiwan_girl said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                        @Copper said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                        that "next guy" right now is China?

                        Yes, I think for sure that China will increase their funding 1000+% as a way to show their nose at the US.

                        Why would one think that giving the most money buys you influence? Doesn’t seem to be working out for the US.

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                          xenon
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                          #12

                          I saw the WHO towing the China line on Taiwan - what are the other examples of influences and disparities of influence?

                          Genuine question - I don’t know much about WHO except that they do a bunch of public health things in poor countries.

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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            89th
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                            #13

                            Who does that?

                            MikM 1 Reply Last reply
                            • X xenon

                              I saw the WHO towing the China line on Taiwan - what are the other examples of influences and disparities of influence?

                              Genuine question - I don’t know much about WHO except that they do a bunch of public health things in poor countries.

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @xenon said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                              I saw the WHO towing the China line on Taiwan - what are the other examples of influences and disparities of influence?

                              Genuine question - I don’t know much about WHO except that they do a bunch of public health things in poor countries.

                              And the U.S. will continue to do that. The CDC is crying for money...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • 89th8 89th

                                Who does that?

                                MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
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                                #15

                                @89th said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                Who does that?

                                No, What does that.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  Looks like all they really need is Bill Gates.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    #17

                                    What did Daltry do to piss Trump off?

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      What did Daltry do to piss Trump off?

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                                      George K
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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                      What did Daltry do to piss Trump off?

                                      He doesn't want to get fooled again?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • L Loki

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                        @Copper said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                        that "next guy" right now is China?

                                        Yes, I think for sure that China will increase their funding 1000+% as a way to show their nose at the US.

                                        Why would one think that giving the most money buys you influence? Doesn’t seem to be working out for the US.

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                                        @Loki said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                        @Copper said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                        that "next guy" right now is China?

                                        Yes, I think for sure that China will increase their funding 1000+% as a way to show their nose at the US.

                                        Why would one think that giving the most money buys you influence? Doesn’t seem to be working out for the US.

                                        The mainland Chinese have been very strong in trying to use money to get influence over the past 20 years or so. Lots of infrastructure projects in Africa and SE Asia for example. They will give no interest (or forgive) loans to build infrastructure. The countries are required to use mainland Chinese contractors and companies and then they are tied to the Chinese for spare parts, upgrades, etc.

                                        Re: why it does not seem to be working for the US:

                                        Part of it is that countries have taken for granted what the US have given to them over the years. Like many things, at first it is a bonus and looked at with favor, but over time, it becomes an entitlement.

                                        Another reason is the for most common people around the world, President Trump is not really admired. And since he represents the US, by this reasoning, the common people have lost some admiration for the US. (And please do not say that I am anti Trump and that is the only reason I am saying this. Most common people around the world only see President Trump at his worse, making goofy statements, etc. and this forms their opinion)

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                          What did Daltry do to piss Trump off?

                                          He doesn't want to get fooled again?

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                                          @George-K said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to Withdraw the USA from the WHO:

                                          What did Daltry do to piss Trump off?

                                          He doesn't want to get fooled again?

                                          😂

                                          The Brad

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