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The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi

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  • MikM Mik

    Still, a worthwhile conversation.

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    George K
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    @Mik absolutely.

    I fail to understand why he is a "public figure" in this case.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      @Mik absolutely.

      I fail to understand why he is a "public figure" in this case.

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      LuFins Dad
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      #5

      @George-K The whole public figure thing has been stretched waaay to far.

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @George-K The whole public figure thing has been stretched waaay to far.

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        @LuFins-Dad said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

        @George-K The whole public figure thing has been stretched waaay to far.

        He's no more a public figure than Sandman was...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @LuFins-Dad said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

          @George-K The whole public figure thing has been stretched waaay to far.

          He's no more a public figure than Sandman was...

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          LuFins Dad
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          @Jolly said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

          @LuFins-Dad said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

          @George-K The whole public figure thing has been stretched waaay to far.

          He's no more a public figure than Sandman was...

          The argument can be made that he was a defendant in a highly public murder case, elevating him to the role of public figure (much more so than Sandman), though, in my opinion, that's all the more reason why you need to be cautious. OJ is still referred to as "alleged"

          The Brad

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            I've always thought our slander and libel laws should revert back to an earlier and much more narrow definition.

            I'm also in favor of not releasing an individual's name who is charged with a crime. That name can be released after trial or plea bargain.

            People should be secure in themselves and their possessions. That includes their reputation.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Friday
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              I always thought that if you were not a public figure before being charged with any crime, then you should be considered a private person. But social media probably complicates all of that.

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                I've always thought our slander and libel laws should revert back to an earlier and much more narrow definition.

                I'm also in favor of not releasing an individual's name who is charged with a crime. That name can be released after trial or plea bargain.

                People should be secure in themselves and their possessions. That includes their reputation.

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                LuFins Dad
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                @Jolly said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                I've always thought our slander and libel laws should revert back to an earlier and much more narrow definition.

                I'm also in favor of not releasing an individual's name who is charged with a crime. That name can be released after trial or plea bargain.

                People should be secure in themselves and their possessions. That includes their reputation.

                I find the whole "Public Figure" narrative to have been distorted beyond all recognition and it is now abused. I hate case law and judicial decisions based on legal precedent.

                The Brad

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                  Welcome to the Napoleonic Code, my friend...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

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                      @jon-nyc said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                      Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

                      But there should be a dividing line. At what point do they become famous, because there is no alternative? Hogg actively courted the spotlight when he was a nobody. Kyle was famous before he even knew how to spell spotlight.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

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                        @jon-nyc said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                        Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, , pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

                        Rittenhouse didn't make himself a public person, Hogg wanted to become a public spokesman.

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                          We need an adaptation of The Hunger Games with Rittenhouse, Hogg, and Greta Thunberg.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            And Sandmann.

                            The Brad

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                              @jon-nyc said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                              Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, , pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

                              Rittenhouse didn't make himself a public person, Hogg wanted to become a public spokesman.

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                              @Ivorythumper said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                              @jon-nyc said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                              Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, , pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

                              Rittenhouse didn't make himself a public person, Hogg wanted to become a public spokesman.

                              Perhaps in the beginning but certainly since his trial he’s been trying pretty hard.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @Ivorythumper said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                                @jon-nyc said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                                Like David Hogg, Kyle has worked hard to parlay his 15m of fame into something more, , pretty actively seeking continued access to the spotlight.

                                Rittenhouse didn't make himself a public person, Hogg wanted to become a public spokesman.

                                Perhaps in the beginning but certainly since his trial he’s been trying pretty hard.

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                                George K
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                                @jon-nyc said in The liars will be held accountable, watch out Whoopi:

                                Perhaps in the beginning but certainly since his trial he’s been trying pretty hard.

                                True, but the alleged slander occurred BEFORE that.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  You think? I would think calling him a murderer prior to his acquittal wouldn’t meet the threshold of defamation.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    He said that Goldberg called him a murderer after the acquittal

                                    I was only joking

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                                      #21

                                      @Doctor-Phibes and @jon-nyc that's true. However, Biden's video, talking about white supremacists and showing Rittenhouse was before his acquittal.

                                      Ultimately, I guess it boils down, as I said, as to whether he is a private citizen or a public figure.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        This kid is going to need bodyguards for the next decade, at least. He is being prevented from going to college by the raving lunatics, and he has zero other options of getting a job. @jon-nyc and others criticize him for embracing a public role, but what other choice does the kid have? Seriously? How else does he survive the next year? 2? 10?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          This kid is going to need bodyguards for the next decade, at least. He is being prevented from going to college by the raving lunatics, and he has zero other options of getting a job. @jon-nyc and others criticize him for embracing a public role, but what other choice does the kid have? Seriously? How else does he survive the next year? 2? 10?

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                                          @LuFins-Dad most of that seems either unlikely or heavily exaggerated.

                                          He’d be among friends at hillsdale. Millions actually think he’s a hero. Surly many of those would hire him. Not a big tech firm with a global brand, but local small and medium sized businesses would pick him up.

                                          I think you’d be hard pressed to find a gun shop anywhere in the US that wouldn’t hire him. (Ok my turn to exaggerate)

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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