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The hammer came down yesterday.

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    From the CDC:

    New HIV Diagnoses Among Adults and Adolescents in the
    US and Dependent Areas by Transmission Category, 2019

    Transmission Category Males Females Total
    Male-to-male sexual contact 24,084 NA 24,084
    Injection drug use 1,397 1,111 2,508
    Male-to-male sexual contact
    and injection drug use 1,468 NA 1,468
    Heterosexual contact 2,754 5,863 8,617
    Perinatal 14 21 35
    Others 23 5 28

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

      Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

      Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

      MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #15

      @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

      Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

      Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

      Your ability to miss the point and go down unproductive rabbit trails is legendary.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        I think the above is clear evidence where the primary repository of HIV+ exists.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

          are just dispensible cogs in the machine.

          Well, yeah. Welcome to business.

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          @aqua-letifer Sadly, healthcare used to not be that kind of business.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

            @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

            Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

            Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

            Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

            AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #18

            @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

            Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

            Oh good, now we are down to negotiating a price probabilities.

            Now, Mr. I-used-to-inspect-blood-banks, what are the chances that the blood bank system let slip a pint of blood that is HIV+?

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            • MikM Mik

              @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

              @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

              Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

              Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

              Your ability to miss the point and go down unproductive rabbit trails is legendary.

              AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #19

              @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

              @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

              @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

              Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

              Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

              Your ability to miss the point …

              Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

              JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
              • JollyJ Jolly

                The little hospital where I do my PRN, received notice yesterday. First vaxx by 12/4 or termination.

                Interesting. The people that busted their ass in N95's, paper gowns and nitrile gloves are just dispensible cogs in the machine. In the most hands-on of all businesses, I guess some hands are not wanted or needed.

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                89th
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                #20

                @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                The little hospital where I do my PRN, received notice yesterday. First vaxx by 12/4 or termination.

                How many front-line medical workers aren't taking the vaccine? Seems foolish, IMO.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                  Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

                  Oh good, now we are down to negotiating a price probabilities.

                  Now, Mr. I-used-to-inspect-blood-banks, what are the chances that the blood bank system let slip a pint of blood that is HIV+?

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #21

                  @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                  @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                  Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

                  Oh good, now we are down to negotiating a price probabilities.

                  Now, Mr. I-used-to-inspect-blood-banks, what are the chances that the blood bank system let slip a pint of blood that is HIV+?

                  Several, at first. Less as time went on. I mentioned the sixteen year-old, because that happened on my watch, so it's not some esoteric exercise. I don't know if the post-exposure treatment kept her from getting HIV or not.

                  But why run the risk in the first place? Just to satisfy your silky ass notions of equity or gay pride?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                    The little hospital where I do my PRN, received notice yesterday. First vaxx by 12/4 or termination.

                    How many front-line medical workers aren't taking the vaccine? Seems foolish, IMO.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #22

                    @89th said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                    @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                    The little hospital where I do my PRN, received notice yesterday. First vaxx by 12/4 or termination.

                    How many front-line medical workers aren't taking the vaccine? Seems foolish, IMO.

                    About 30%, at least in my neck of the woods.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                      Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                      Your ability to miss the point …

                      Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #23

                      @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                      Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                      Your ability to miss the point …

                      Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                      @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                      Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                      Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                      Your ability to miss the point …

                      Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                      Damn, you're smart!😂😂

                      Do you not see how out of touch with real life you are at times? I don't see how you function in society.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • LarryL Offline
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                        Larry
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #24

                        If they could test for stupidity, Ax wouldn't be allowed to give blood at all.

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                          Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                          Your ability to miss the point …

                          Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                          Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                          Your ability to miss the point …

                          Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                          Damn, you're smart!😂😂

                          Do you not see how out of touch with real life you are at times? I don't see how you function in society.

                          LarryL Offline
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                          Larry
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #25

                          @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                          Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                          Your ability to miss the point …

                          Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                          Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                          Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                          Your ability to miss the point …

                          Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                          Damn, you're smart!😂😂

                          Do you not see how out of touch with real life you are at times? I don't see how you function in society.

                          He's just pissed off because he's had at least a month to offer up even one tiny little reason to be proud of Joe Biden and he can't do it...

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @aqua-letifer Sadly, healthcare used to not be that kind of business.

                            Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #26

                            @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                            @aqua-letifer Sadly, healthcare used to not be that kind of business.

                            A lot of professions have become terrible politicized as of late. 😞

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #27

                              I think it's an empty threat when every hospital in the nation is screaming for RNs

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                                Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                                Your ability to miss the point …

                                Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                                @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

                                Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

                                Your ability to miss the point …

                                Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

                                Damn, you're smart!😂😂

                                Do you not see how out of touch with real life you are at times? I don't see how you function in society.

                                ImprovisoI Offline
                                ImprovisoI Offline
                                Improviso
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #28

                                @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                I don't see how you function in society.

                                AX: Mom,let me introduce my girlfriend.

                                MOM: You couldn't find anything better?

                                AX: Leave me alone, I love her.

                                MOM: Shut up! I'm speaking to her.

                                We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  I think it's an empty threat when every hospital in the nation is screaming for RNs

                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #29

                                  @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                  I think it's an empty threat when every hospital in the nation is screaming for RNs

                                  Never underestimate the potential for stupidity among bean-counters and decision-makers.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #30

                                    @axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                    @jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                    Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

                                    Oh good, now we are down to negotiating a price probabilities.

                                    Now, Mr. I-used-to-inspect-blood-banks, what are the chances that the blood bank system let slip a pint of blood that is HIV+?

                                    Hey, shithead, I don't question Jon's knowledge of finance, Mik's expertise in legacy hospital information systems, Aqua's power of the pen, George's knowledge of how to pass gas or LuFin's knowledge of the current piano market. I've spent 41 years in the clinical lab biz, with a three year stint in immunohematology. Shit, I'm sitting in a hospital as I type this, jaw-jacking with the lab staff...About a fourth of them used to work for me.

                                    If I'm going to hang a unit on a patient, I want it to the best I can give them. Admittedly, COVID has thrown a monkey-wrench into things. I had a bleeder last weekend that I could not get A neg for...I told the doc to put a cork in him and we would try to get some blood out of Texas. Luckily, we did, about the time his hgb hit 7. If not, I'd already made the decision to use A POS and try to keep him alive until we could find blood or the antibodies kicked in on subsequent units and killed him. Why no O neg, you say? Solid gold, friend. We're in such a bind for the universal donor emergency stuff, we treat it like the jewel it is. Usually, when you change types to something else compatible you hang with it, but you can't hang what you ain't got.

                                    The doc makes the final decisions, but there are times when the best advice I can give, is crappy advice. But, c'est la vie.

                                    Now, tell me what you know about crossmatch procedures and compatible blood. I've got a family if Bombay's in the area and I'd love to hear your learned thoughts.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                      I think it's an empty threat when every hospital in the nation is screaming for RNs

                                      Never underestimate the potential for stupidity among bean-counters and decision-makers.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #31

                                      @aqua-letifer said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                      @mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

                                      I think it's an empty threat when every hospital in the nation is screaming for RNs

                                      Never underestimate the potential for stupidity among bean-counters and decision-makers.

                                      Preach on. I remember the old days, when doctors ran hospitals ... Not that it was all sunshine and roses, but at least we knew why we were there.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #32

                                        True, but there are still a lot of medical folks in upper management.

                                        I stand by my statement. When push comes to show they cannot lose 30%, or even 10%, of their nursing staff.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          I don't think they will. I think guys will raise Cain, but the hospital pays better than other nursing jobs, at least most of the time. I think you'll actually see 3-5%.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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