The hammer came down yesterday.

[Axtremus]

Similarly wonderful to not accept unvaxxed hands.

[Jolly]

Bullshit. When you're sick and hurting, vaccination status of your caregiver is not the thing foremost in your mind.

[Axtremus]

When you need a blood transfusion, the sexual orientation of the blood donor is similarly not the foremost thing in your mind.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

When you need a blood transfusion, the sexual orientation of the blood donor is similarly not the foremost thing in your mind.

Are you sure you want into this discussion with a guy who used to inspect blood banks?

[Mik]

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months. It is to maintain an HIV free blood supply.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

are just dispensible cogs in the machine.

Well, yeah. Welcome to business.

[Axtremus]

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

When you need a blood transfusion, the sexual orientation of the blood donor is similarly not the foremost thing in your mind.

Are you sure you want into this discussion with a guy who used to inspect blood banks?

Yes, bring it.

[Jolly]

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months. It is to maintain an HIV free blood supply.

Personally, I think that's too lenient. The primary purpose of screening questions and actual testing is to provide the safest product possible. after all, blood is a drug and has to meet FDA standards. Screening tests can and do give an occasional false negative.

It's a stone cold bitch to walk into a patient's room and tell the parent of a 16 year-old MVA patient that the blood she received may have been erroneously tested and now measures have to be taken to try to prevent disease, such as hepatitis or HIV.

Or, reaching into the dim mists of time, does anybody remember the massive HCV look-back program?

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

[Jolly]

From the CDC:

New HIV Diagnoses Among Adults and Adolescents in the
US and Dependent Areas by Transmission Category, 2019

Transmission Category Males Females Total
Male-to-male sexual contact 24,084 NA 24,084
Injection drug use 1,397 1,111 2,508
Male-to-male sexual contact
and injection drug use 1,468 NA 1,468
Heterosexual contact 2,754 5,863 8,617
Perinatal 14 21 35
Others 23 5 28

[Mik]

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

Your ability to miss the point and go down unproductive rabbit trails is legendary.

[Jolly]

I think the above is clear evidence where the primary repository of HIV+ exists.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer Sadly, healthcare used to not be that kind of business.

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

Oh good, now we are down to negotiating a price probabilities.

Now, Mr. I-used-to-inspect-blood-banks, what are the chances that the blood bank system let slip a pint of blood that is HIV+?

[Axtremus]

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

Your ability to miss the point …

Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

[89th]

@jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

The little hospital where I do my PRN, received notice yesterday. First vaxx by 12/4 or termination.

How many front-line medical workers aren't taking the vaccine? Seems foolish, IMO.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Ok, what are your chances of getting COVID-19 from a healthcare provider in PPE and getting a life-altering disease from tainted blood? Your chances of surviving C-19 are pretty good. HIV may have more of an impact on your life style and your life span.

Oh good, now we are down to negotiating a price probabilities.

Now, Mr. I-used-to-inspect-blood-banks, what are the chances that the blood bank system let slip a pint of blood that is HIV+?

Several, at first. Less as time went on. I mentioned the sixteen year-old, because that happened on my watch, so it's not some esoteric exercise. I don't know if the post-exposure treatment kept her from getting HIV or not.

But why run the risk in the first place? Just to satisfy your silky ass notions of equity or gay pride?

[Jolly]

@89th said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@jolly said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

The little hospital where I do my PRN, received notice yesterday. First vaxx by 12/4 or termination.

How many front-line medical workers aren't taking the vaccine? Seems foolish, IMO.

About 30%, at least in my neck of the woods.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

Your ability to miss the point …

Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@axtremus said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

@mik said in The hammer came down yesterday.:

Red Cross does accept donations from gay men who attest they have not had sex with a man in 12 months.

Yeah, try getting healthcare providers to attest that they have no contact with COVID-19 patients in 12 months.

Your ability to miss the point …

Not at all, you’re just going down a line of argument I anticipated when making my first post in this thread.

Damn, you're smart!

Do you not see how out of touch with real life you are at times? I don't see how you function in society.