Nah, ain’t about politics at all
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 14:50 last edited by bachophile
Damn straight it’s about politics.
Vax stats depends on how much you trust the government.
How sick is that? All these people dying because they don’t trust the government.
Fucked up world
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:03 last edited by
Well, it's cultural. Culture is the fundamental thing rather than politics. THe draw of putting it all down to politics is that it's simpler and more fun to 'hate all Republicans' than it is to 'hate all evangelical white people'. The latter sounds a little mean actually. But hating Republicans is vogue, totally shame-free.
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Well, it's cultural. Culture is the fundamental thing rather than politics. THe draw of putting it all down to politics is that it's simpler and more fun to 'hate all Republicans' than it is to 'hate all evangelical white people'. The latter sounds a little mean actually. But hating Republicans is vogue, totally shame-free.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:07 last edited by@horace what do you mean by cultural?
yes you can find ethnic disparities
yes you can find economic disparities
yes you can find educational disparities
but in the end, the defining polarization between vax or not seems to be political affiliation.
not a question of hating republicans. its just pointing out a vax demographic which i think is very sad.
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@horace what do you mean by cultural?
yes you can find ethnic disparities
yes you can find economic disparities
yes you can find educational disparities
but in the end, the defining polarization between vax or not seems to be political affiliation.
not a question of hating republicans. its just pointing out a vax demographic which i think is very sad.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:09 last edited by xenonThe thinking is that political divisions in the U.S. are largely driven by culture now. So being republican is a proxy for culture.
As in politics is based less on policy nowadays than which cultural side you think candidates are on.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:11 last edited by
Maybe instead of shaming those who don't trust the government we should shame the government for being so inept and corrupt that they are no longer trusted.
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@horace what do you mean by cultural?
yes you can find ethnic disparities
yes you can find economic disparities
yes you can find educational disparities
but in the end, the defining polarization between vax or not seems to be political affiliation.
not a question of hating republicans. its just pointing out a vax demographic which i think is very sad.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:14 last edited by Catseye3@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
in the end, the defining polarization between vax or not seems to be political affiliation.
I'm no expert on statistics or their implications, but this graph taken as a view from 30,000 feet, there does not seem to be enough difference intergroup to make that much of.
And I find the politics vs culture debate to be pointless.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:16 last edited by
i accept the fact there are people who dont trust government.
what i find hard to accept is using that as a reason not to get vaccinated.
the government didn't invent vaccines.
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i accept the fact there are people who dont trust government.
what i find hard to accept is using that as a reason not to get vaccinated.
the government didn't invent vaccines.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:20 last edited by@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:21 last edited by
I have never trusted the government, but I sure as heck wanted to get vaccinated.
The idea that the government has only become untrustworthy in the last few years is ridiculous. Just look at the stuff that went on in the past.
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@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:22 last edited by@xenon well i guess i just dont get it
i think one day 100 years from now historians will have a blast trying to figure it all out.
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@xenon well i guess i just dont get it
i think one day 100 years from now historians will have a blast trying to figure it all out.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:27 last edited by@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
@xenon well i guess i just dont get it
i think one day 100 years from now historians will have a blast trying to figure it all out.
As far as irrational ideas people believe due to culture, I don't suspect vaccination hesitancy will be on the radar historically. None of this should be flabbergasting if you understand that humans believe what their culture tells them to believe. No fainting couch required at that observation. It is how humans operate.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:28 last edited by
Just like the left can't seem to understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration...
They conflate anti-mandate with anti-vax. The issue is not anti-vax. It's anti-mandate.
And until natural immunity is considered in the equation, it's not going to change.
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Just like the left can't seem to understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration...
They conflate anti-mandate with anti-vax. The issue is not anti-vax. It's anti-mandate.
And until natural immunity is considered in the equation, it's not going to change.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:35 last edited byI’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
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I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:38 last edited by@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
I don't get it either Bach. But that's their choice.
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I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:54 last edited by@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
Well put. But stupid is the gift that keeps on giving, for a while at least.
Also, I notice you're using caps in that post. Who are you, really, and how did you get @bachophile 's password?
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@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
Well put. But stupid is the gift that keeps on giving, for a while at least.
Also, I notice you're using caps in that post. Who are you, really, and how did you get @bachophile 's password?
wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 15:57 last edited by@george-k haha. Spellchecks by apple. Makes capitals automatically at end of sentences. I get tired of going back and uncapitalizing.
Hey cats how’s that for a new word?…
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@george-k haha. Spellchecks by apple. Makes capitals automatically at end of sentences. I get tired of going back and uncapitalizing.
Hey cats how’s that for a new word?…
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 16:11 last edited by
decapitalated.
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 16:14 last edited by
@mik said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
decapitalated.
Hm, that might work, but it's awful close to decapitulated, meaning "continued to fight."
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wrote on 29 Oct 2021, 16:21 last edited by
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