Nah, ain’t about politics at all
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@horace what do you mean by cultural?
yes you can find ethnic disparities
yes you can find economic disparities
yes you can find educational disparities
but in the end, the defining polarization between vax or not seems to be political affiliation.
not a question of hating republicans. its just pointing out a vax demographic which i think is very sad.
@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
in the end, the defining polarization between vax or not seems to be political affiliation.
I'm no expert on statistics or their implications, but this graph taken as a view from 30,000 feet, there does not seem to be enough difference intergroup to make that much of.
And I find the politics vs culture debate to be pointless.
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i accept the fact there are people who dont trust government.
what i find hard to accept is using that as a reason not to get vaccinated.
the government didn't invent vaccines.
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i accept the fact there are people who dont trust government.
what i find hard to accept is using that as a reason not to get vaccinated.
the government didn't invent vaccines.
@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
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I have never trusted the government, but I sure as heck wanted to get vaccinated.
The idea that the government has only become untrustworthy in the last few years is ridiculous. Just look at the stuff that went on in the past.
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@bachophile I don't think it's necessarily mistrust of government. It's a cultural signal to be anti-vax. Some people are getting vaxxed in secret so their family and friends don't know.
It's a similar phenomenon to virtue signaling.
@xenon well i guess i just dont get it
i think one day 100 years from now historians will have a blast trying to figure it all out.
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@xenon well i guess i just dont get it
i think one day 100 years from now historians will have a blast trying to figure it all out.
@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
@xenon well i guess i just dont get it
i think one day 100 years from now historians will have a blast trying to figure it all out.
As far as irrational ideas people believe due to culture, I don't suspect vaccination hesitancy will be on the radar historically. None of this should be flabbergasting if you understand that humans believe what their culture tells them to believe. No fainting couch required at that observation. It is how humans operate.
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Just like the left can't seem to understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration...
They conflate anti-mandate with anti-vax. The issue is not anti-vax. It's anti-mandate.
And until natural immunity is considered in the equation, it's not going to change.
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Just like the left can't seem to understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration...
They conflate anti-mandate with anti-vax. The issue is not anti-vax. It's anti-mandate.
And until natural immunity is considered in the equation, it's not going to change.
I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
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I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
I don't get it either Bach. But that's their choice.
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I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
Well put. But stupid is the gift that keeps on giving, for a while at least.
Also, I notice you're using caps in that post. Who are you, really, and how did you get @bachophile 's password?
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@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
I’m also anti mandate. I think one of the saddest things in the world is that people are not smart enough to figure out this is something you decide to do on your own. Even if the government said no mandates at all. All personal choice. I cannot for the life of me understand someone not doing it. At least now with data on millions.
Well put. But stupid is the gift that keeps on giving, for a while at least.
Also, I notice you're using caps in that post. Who are you, really, and how did you get @bachophile 's password?
@george-k haha. Spellchecks by apple. Makes capitals automatically at end of sentences. I get tired of going back and uncapitalizing.
Hey cats how’s that for a new word?…
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@george-k haha. Spellchecks by apple. Makes capitals automatically at end of sentences. I get tired of going back and uncapitalizing.
Hey cats how’s that for a new word?…
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relowercasing
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@catseye3 I think he meant to say 'minisculate'.
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Ahh, you mean…shrinkage
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i accept the fact there are people who dont trust government.
what i find hard to accept is using that as a reason not to get vaccinated.
the government didn't invent vaccines.
@bachophile said in Nah, ain’t about politics at all:
the government didn't invent vaccines.
Good point. Despite its regulatory and enforcement authority and responsibility, government is only one of several messengers in support of mass vaccination.
But I do agree, it is political or so it is where I live. Thankfully, the argument that vaccine mandates violate the Nuremberg Accord rings hollow and just isn’t convincing to most folks to support the cause.
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Now, let’s say that a few districts in Detroit, Philadelphia, Phoenix, and Milwaukee had .05% lower turnout and Donald Trump won the election. What would those vaccination numbers by party look like? My bet is that the Republican numbers would be about the same and the Democrat numbers would be far lower, as it would have well and truly been considered a Trump vaccine.
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